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  •  I don't know what to make of this. (4.00)
    The attack plans against Iraq have been drawn up long ago, probably during the Carter administration, and have been revised diligently through every administration since. SOP - there are huge attack "books" dealing with most eventualities, that are wargamed and worked out and modified incessantly.

    Which makes this a possible canard ...
    The plans already exist - remember that they were ready to go to Teheran and Damascus in those heady post-toppling of Saddam statue days - that would have been in accordance with detailed plans.

    "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

    by SteinL on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:58:40 PM PDT

    •  The plans have to be different (none)
      The tactical nukes are a Bush-era invention.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:59:33 PM PDT

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      •  Reagan discussed them too (none)
        And that was the cold war.
        •  As SteinL (none)
          Pointed out downthread, yeah, tactical nukes have been around since 1950s. Not bunker busters, but tactical nukes.

          This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

          by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:06:12 PM PDT

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          •  You miss the point : (none)
            To quote asdfasdf from upthread a bit :

            "Yes, the Pentagon does have and should have all sorts of plans for all sorts of situations worked out well in advance.

            But that's entirely different than the civilian leadership requesting a plan to attack a country to be used in retaliation for an event even if that country had nothing to do with the event."

            •  Just a comment ... (none)
              That's exactly what the US did when they attacked Iraq as retaliation for 9/11.

              The military does not launch any attack on its own. It always acts at the behest of the civilian leadership, as a projection of the ambitions of the polity, or to defend it from exterior threats.

              As such, when a people are capable of electing lunatics such as Bush and Cheney to power, with their retinue of addle-brained dreamers, you risk getting your worst nightmare becoming reality, since you weren't paying attention as they lied.
              That's the price of democracy. There's no inherent guarantee that you'll get wise leaders, and visions can soon turn into delusions.

              "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

              by SteinL on Fri Jul 29, 2005 at 01:45:16 AM PDT

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    •  Iran? (none)
      i lost ya there.
      •  Who lost who ? (none)
        Get out much ?  Iran is mentioned quite pointedly in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" - which has been out for several years now.

        That document has already provided the rough blueprint for Iraq :

        "Although Iraq may provide the immediate justification, Iran presents a much more serious threat" ( rough quote, but basically accurate )

    •  I think I see the "smite Cheney before (none)
      he smites you" in this American Prospect smiting. I must say, though, I was smitten by the apocalyptic vibe here. Very - too, too - "BushCo in the last throes" sort of talk (nudge nudge, wink, wink).

      The name is not the thing named, the map is not the territory. -- Gregory Bateson

      by semiot on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:11:33 PM PDT

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