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  •  Agreed (none)
    That's why Cheney needs a 9/11 type event. Like Hitler needed the Reichstag fire to galvanize support among the German populace. Bush already got one 9/11 and look what he did with it. If he gets another one? And remember this is the administration that is stonewalling on Plame, on the Abu Ghraib photos, on just about everything. They are a take no prisoners government, and the closer things look likely to break against them, the tighter their grip becomes and the more dangerous.

    It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

    by Steven D on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 07:25:23 AM PDT

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    •  won't necessarily work (none)
      There is an equal danger that if there is a second 9/11-type event that the American public will ask themselves why this happened on this administration's watch...again. I'm afraid that it cuts both ways - and having embarked on a less than successful military adventure after one such event, there may be considerable resistance to pursuing a second one - especially if the culprits are Pakistani/Saudi/Arabs who have no connection to Iran.

      I'd also throw in to the ring the consideration of 9/11 as a "black swan" event - and unlikely to be repeatable. It's unlikely that the kind of "cascade failure" that those attacks represented would be easily reproducible. A car bomb or coordinated mass-transit attack that kills tens, or even hundreds, is not going to provoke the same kind of response - it'll likely be understood as part of the post-Iraq landscape, a la London. Bear in mind that no one in Spain or the UK has proposed attacking another country as a result of terrorist attacks. There is plenty of evidence of some kind of Pakistani connection to the London attack - but no one here is even contemplating invading Pakistan or launching an invasion.

      •  Excuse me for saying so, (none)
        but keep telling yourself that until you believe it.  Another 9/11, and 90% of the population will be in the streets screaming for massive revenge and unlimited powers for our protectors in Washington.

        You labor under the delusion that frightened people think rationally, i.e. that they think at all.  Sorry, they don't.  Nice delusion, though, as most delusions are.

        Now before you mention the Spain and UK comparisons, let me dismiss them now by pointing out: Those folks have dealt with terror before, and aren't frightened by it like we are.  (And the Brits don't show any signs of thinking themselves past Tony Blair yet anyway.)

        •  What about the other 10 percent? (none)
          So 90 percent are brainwashed fools.  What about the other 10 percent?  Let's say just 1 percent are fanatical -- now you've got a potentially very pissed off army of 2.7 million.  That's 2.7 million people willing to do all kinds of nasty things that could disrupt our peaceful and prosperous life.  Has anybody factored this in?

          In the beginning of the American Revolution less than one percent of the population was actually stirred up enough to join Washington's ragtag band.  

          Those who do not remember the past... and all that.  

          Another 9/11 and/or attack on Iran = the end of American life as we know it.  

          Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none. -B. Franklin

          by ChuckLin on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 09:14:26 AM PDT

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          •  I'm sure the other 10% (none)
            would be protesting, writing letters to Senators, and posting on DailyKos.

            The other 90% would hardly notice.

            •  What about the one percent? (none)
              You underestimate the seething anger in the fanatical underbelly of this nation.  

              1 percent of U.S. population = 2.75 million people...

              How many people do you suppose it would take to blow up a few strategic places on the power grid?

              Another 9/11 plus a disastrous military misadventure would be the spark that would ignite the shitstorm.  Life would not go on as usual.    

              Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none. -B. Franklin

              by ChuckLin on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 09:38:23 AM PDT

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              •  You're suggesting we become (none)
                terrorists?

                Not very wise of you to even suggest that.

                I mean, heck, if the FBI has groups such as the American Friends Service Committee infiltrated and under surveillance, just imagine how many alarms go off in Fatherland Security whenever a suspected-of-being-a-Democrat purchases a BB gun.

                •  I didn't suggest that (none)
                  I suggested that there are a lot of fanatics in this country.  

                  Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none. -B. Franklin

                  by ChuckLin on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 11:41:57 AM PDT

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                  •  So you think that (none)
                    BushCo will graciously distinguish between "fanatics" and "terrorists" in a time of national crisis?  It's difficult to argue that they do now.

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