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    "The bill would prohibit lawsuits against the firearms industry for damages resulting form the unlawful use of a firearm or ammunition."

    That's excellent legislation in my opinion.

    I suppose anyone opposed to the legislation would support making, say, auto manufacturers liable for illegal use of their products.

    Like if someone uses a Ford Taurus as a get away vehicle in a bank robbery, and the crooks run over and kill a citizen while escaping in the car should the citizens family be able to sue Ford for making a car that can be used in a bank robbery?

    Should the bank be able to sue Ford for damages?

    If not then why should an ammuniton or gun manufacturer be held liable for some criminal who misuses one of their products?

    *No matter where you go...there you are!*--Buckaroo Banzai

    by Manix on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 07:25:29 PM PDT

    •  The point is the double standard (none)
      I agree that gun manufacturers shouldn't be sued for how people use guns, any more than Ford should be sued for bad Taurus drivers, Miller should be sued for DUI manslaughterers (is that a word?)... but also Grokster shouldn't be liable for how people illegally use their product, or a head shop owner be put out of business for how people use his products.

      Important 2nd Amendment caveat: I grew up around guns and I fully support "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Howeverm I also pay close attention to that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" part at the beginning.  "Well regulated", not "regulated".  The Founders were stingy with words; it seems clear to me that understood the dangers of a well-armed militia run amok.

      In RussWorld, a person could have any gun they wanted, even automatics, even easily-concealed handguns, sawed-off shotguns, and whatever yet-to-be-invented people killer comes next, and as many of them as they choose.

      But, getting that gun would require being part of a well-regulated Militia.  Not the National Guard, per se, but you'd have to undergo six months of training, yearly licensing with testing and qualification.  Any use of your gun outside of target practice or hunting would get an inquiry as in-depth as cops get when they discharge their weapons.  And if your gun was ever used in any crime (even if you no longer own it, but failed to report that to the authorities by well-regulated sale or theft report), your privilege is revoked permanently; one strike and you're out.

      (I imagine this will get me flamed from both sides.  Geez, as if it's not hot enough today...)

      RadicalRuss.net Because Freedom & Liberty are Non-Negotiable!

      by RadicalRuss on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 09:39:09 PM PDT

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      •  Wow! (none)
        That's a mouthful!

        Yeah, it's f'd up about the file sharing thing. It's a raw technology that can be misused by people but what technology can't?

        I don't think I agree with your views on "well regulated".

        At the time of the creation of the second amendment I think that meant that all able bodied males who could use a firearm were automatically part of "the militia".

        As far as being "well regulated" went, at that time, I think it meant can all these people be contacted in time of emergency and counted upon to show up with functioning weapons ready for duty.

        You're right about "the milita" not being the National Guard since the the NG didn't even exist until sometime in the mid 1800's.

        I agree that they "understood the dangers of a well-armed militia run amok". Shays rebellion was enough to push the fence sitters into signing on to the Bill of Rights. They realized that without a guarantee of certain rights, including gun ownership, that "well-armed militia run amok" might just come round them up and shoot them!

        *No matter where you go...there you are!*--Buckaroo Banzai

        by Manix on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 10:29:02 PM PDT

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