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View Diary: What Is Liberalism? An Historical Primer-Part 1 (13 comments)

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  •  This Is Just The First of A Series (none)
    The intro gives you a broad overview, but the entire entry in the DHI I'm going to go through and comment on is over 24,000 words. My commentary is adding over half as much again to that length.  It will take over 20 diaries.  (I'm not expecting a lot of people to follow the whole thing--even though it's being frontpaged at My Left Wing.  But I do hope that people will dip in and find things that resonate.)  So doing the same for conservatism is a bit daunting.

    But you don't have to rely on me. You can go directly to the DHI enry on Conservatism and plough through it yourself.

    •  roots of conservativism (none)
      I think in a way it's Aristotles notion of justice.

      It's an idea of justice that says people are not equal.

      E.g. the child should respect and love the father more than the father should respect and love the child.

      there is a notion of worth that feeds into justice, and Aristotle wrote it all down.

      Aristotle on any social ethics was really a writer of local popular prejudice, right as Greek Democracy was falling to disfavor and the Golden Age was ending for Greece... so it's really an ethic that represents a previous way of thinking, previous even to the Golden Age, but is also why the Church was able to move to a Aristotelian foundation.

      I think it might be a statement of our recieved conservativism from way way back in Western/Mediterranean culture.  Assuming it's still valid to trace the roots there and not to some of the tribal histories of the conquered people of Europe...

      •  Before Aristotle (none)
        The book I refered too, The liberal temper in Greek politics, uses Hesiod's Works And Days and his myth of the Golden Age as representative of the conservative ideology that preceeded the liberal Greek tradition, which arose first among the natural philosophers.  

        He looks at Plato and Aristotle in detail for the ways in which they subverted the advances of the progressive philosophers before them.

        But, inasmuch as all this history exists only in fragments, while Aristotle had enormous influence in the ages that follow, there is certainly a good deal of truth in citing him the way you do.

    •  Excellent... (none)
      Thanks for the link, and thank you for your series too.

      Fringe is the new black. - Me

      by chillindame on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 11:16:13 AM PDT

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