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  •  ZING!!!! (none)
    right to the heart.

    "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

    by stumpy on Sat Aug 06, 2005 at 12:07:52 PM PDT

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    •  ALMOST to the heart (none)
      ... but here's the sentence that no pol ever has the guts to finish with: "And here's what I'm going to do about getting us out of this immoral war."

      A cheap mea culpa, no matter how nicely worded, sound-bite or bumpersticker worthy,is just a string of empty words unles there is mention of  restitution.

      Restitution is saying how the pol will repair the harm he or she has created.

      THAT is what wins elections.

      "I'm so sorry I did this and that," just gives the admininstration machine a nice pile of sticks to hit the apologizing pol with; in his own words, no less.

      Real nice sound bites -- for the other side.

      -- Nance

      Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

      by Nancy Varian on Sat Aug 06, 2005 at 04:48:46 PM PDT

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      •  But there is no solution (none)
        That's the point.  There is no reasonable way to get out of the war now.  We are fucked, and so is the entire Middle East in general and Iraq in particular.  If we leave, full scale civil war, probably dragging in Iraq's neighbors into it.  If we stay, we lose 50 US troops a month until we leave, then full scale civil war.  I'm in favor of choice A over choice B (since staying merely prolongs the enivitable), but it's a disaster either way.
        •  Of course there isn't a plan or solution now (none)
          ... because no one is developing one. I'm not saying pols should stand up prentending to have a full scale plan.

          I am saying someone must initiate the idea that a solution can be created, then follows the belief that one can be.

          Democratic leadership should inspire ideas and belief so that the people will demand a solution. Then, they get to work on presenting one, anything to get the discussion going, because all Bush can say is "stay the course" when it's become increasingly obvious at last to even is supporters that there is no course.

          I do agree with you, there is not a solution if you think it must be perfect.

          But there is no perfect solution. So, we do what we can, and we need leadership in the Congress and out in the grassroots.

          Leadership and the rest of us have to consider our options.

          What do we want to do, and how much of that can we do?

          For starters:

          Do we want to stay the goddamn course and save Iraq? (Not me. Not them, either, from what I'm seeing, eh?)

          Do we want to get our troops out as safely as we can? (Yeah, I do. Pretty much the rest of us do too, right?)

          Do we want to do that while leaving a plan in place to help heal what we've destroyed in this immoral war? (Some folks do. I don't think it's a bad idea, but who knows if the time for that is long gone?)

          The answers to these questions will be the shape of the beginning of a plan.

          Right now, Democratic leadership should be pounding the drum on these three questions, over and over until voters begin to realize there can be a plan. Not a perfect one, but one that will get us out.

          Look, I hate what BushCo has done, I'm sure somewhere Dante is revising Inferno right now to dig a few rings deeper for this savage administration. But to say there is no plan and can be no plan is just ... giving up.

          If the two scenarios you mention are prophetic, and I'm not arguing with you, then we must choose one and make the best of it. If all roads lead to civil war, then let's get our troops the hell out of hell  because civil war there is going to come home here and bite us hard. We will need them.

          Civil war was foretold from the start, we knew it by the millions and we marched and protested and no one heard. They'll be hearing it now.

          Leaving this ruined nation isn't going to be any prettier this time than leaving Vietnam three decades ago. The best we can to is to try to make it no uglier.

          I'm unhappy, just like you, but we have to try. We've watched this administration destroy a nation and instead of tearing down the torture chambers, move right in and take up where Saddam left off. We'e watched it weaken our own defense doing it.

          It's time to hold BushCo accountable, and it's past time to hold the Democratice leaderhsip accountable.

          We the people have the power, now we must use it.

          -- Nance

          Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

          by Nancy Varian on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 02:23:50 AM PDT

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