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  •  Well that's fantastic (none)
    but what exactly are you getting at?

    You had your suspicions and your gut feeling was right, after the dust settled. We're looking back on the situation two years later, however. The overwhelming proof that this war was launched on a lie has only come out now. Whatever you 'knew' about the war before it started, while most people were fooled, you didn't really know until documents were proved forgeries, the DSM broke, etc.

    If you were a senator facing tremendous public support for action, and evidence that the Executive presented as proof of a threat, and the intelligence community is backing it up... let's face it, voting against the war would be very difficult. We now know it would have been the right thing to do, but my point was that the Democrats did not in 2003.

    Of course, now there's no reason to ever trust the White House again. That's sooo pre-9/11 mindset.

    •  No offense, but... (none)
      ...most people I know think the Dems who voted for it and haven't opened their mouths since are a bunch of, well, hacks.  They're no better than the Republicans.  People want our leaders to own up, to face facts and come clean.  And I am sick to death of arguing for Dems and against the Iraq War and having some conservative pull the "but they voted for it" line out of their back pocket.  No matter how many ways I explain it (Bush lied, they gave him the authority and didn't expect him to use it, they were misled, etc.), the absolute is there.  They VOTED for it.

      That said, i think the biggest problem or hindrance lies in the real reason many of the Dems voted for war.  And that is the final apology listed in the diary above:

      I now believe my vote on the Iraq War resolution was wrong. I feared the President's high approval ratings and looking weak on terrorism in the wake of 9-11. I regret voting for this disastrous war that has cost our country dearly.

      I can't imagine any single one of them having the guts, the fortitude, the balls to truthfully apologize.  Of course, therein lies the problem with our government.  Honesty is dead.

      •  You misunderstand me, I believe... (none)
        I am all for apologizing for their mistake. They can apologize for making the mistake that the majority of Americans made in buying the war wholeheartedly.

        We don't know the individual motivations of every senator, however. I am with you in believing that it was all because it was the 'popular' thing to do for all of them - selfish political positioning. And I agree completely that in a sane world, they should apologize for that.

        But in a world where we repeatedly get our asses kicked for, among other things, appearing weak, waffly, and unprincipled, being the ONE party to admit to voting/positioning based on public image would be suicide. I can't stress enough how this would be the RIGHT thing... but you know that once the Dems apologize for that, all hell breaks loose. All the labels that the GOP have been pounding into peoples' heads are confirmed. We are weak, and the Republicans are principled, etc. The focus is off the real criminals and is instead centered on the people on the right side of the issues, but had political concerns.

        My point is that it is entirely plausible that the senators were honestly mislead. Why? Well, even IF their motivations were PURELY political (say, a Presidential run), they would have been deceived no matter what. They were given cooked intelligence. That's not their fault. They should not spill their guts all over the floor in apoligies when they were ultimately the victims of the lies, just as we were.

        We know and they know that they did what was best for themselves, but let's not shoot ourselves in the foot. They are our party, let's deal with it. Apologize for making a mistake, and move on to the real culprits.

        •  Cool (none)
          Totally agree.  

          Alright, Senators, you heard us.  Apologize for making a mistake.

          I expect to hear crickets, but we may just be surprised.  My fingers are crossed.

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