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  •  I have to agree (4.00)
    Do they honestly think they're going to be killed? Come on. Intimidation is one thing, but just imagine the logistics of killing off protesters that have made national news.
    •  Killed? (none)
      NO, I don't think the SS would be that stupid.

      Did they make a threat?  I sure as hell believe it.  Don't you? "Intimidation is one thing"  Yeah, it's one thing that really should make us all incredibly angry.

      Do we live in America, or not?  Jesus.

      The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

      by daveriegel on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:15:25 AM PDT

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      •  How do we know (4.00)
        that the "agents" threatening Cindy are real Secret Service? Anybody here remember the Denver three?

        Whoever is in contact with Cindy should remind her to always ask for names, badge #'s, etc., of EVERY LEO she comes in contact with, and to record every conversation.

        As for people "Speeding down that road"...remember, that close to Duhbya's place has got to be one HELL of a high-security area. They only vehicles allowed to speed down that road are bound to be guvmint types.

        Al Queada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 05:49:36 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with this (none)
          Is it possible that whoever said this was issuing a threat?  Yes.  Is it possible that, if it was the Secret Service, it was just s stupidly-worded, honest warning?  Also yes.

          Look, I'm not naive.  I do understand the implications of "Nice little protest you have going on, there.  Be a shame if something happened to it." But in my experience, the Secret Service isn't in the business of issuing gangland-style threats to private citizens who are obeying the law but criticizing the President.  They have one job: protecting the President.  No threat, no interest.

          A Karl Rove lackey is another matter, however...

          •  Read some of the other diaries... (none)
            on this subject

            The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

            by daveriegel on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 06:18:55 AM PDT

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            •  Please be more specific (none)
              Are you saying Cindy's been threatened by the Secret Service before this?
              •  When I posted this a few hours ago (none)
                There were some other diaries up that described the coversation more specifically.  

                Sure it can be interepreted as honest concern for her welfare.  But this is BUSH we're talking about.  These guys work for BUSH.  

                I think we all feel the same way about BUSH.  

                The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

                by daveriegel on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 11:16:02 AM PDT

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                •  These guys... (none)
                  also worked for Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Hillary, Carter...

                  "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

                  by kredwyn on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 11:32:48 AM PDT

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                  •  Happened a long time ago. (none)
                    These people threw Democratic supporters out of Bush's campaign rallies last year. There were a ton of diaries on the topic. These people are as partisan as they come.
                    •  I'm related (none)
                      to one of "those people," and you're mistaken, they are not "as partisan as they come."

                      Do we know for certain at this juncture that the harassers of the Denver Three were SS? And was anyone killed or even physically harmed at the event? Don't get me wrong--I don't think suppression of free speech should be taken lightly. I also don't think we should assume that all SS agents are jackbooted thugs. My cousin isn't, and I'm heartened at what I hear from him regarding dissent within the ranks.

                    •  The Denver 3 Incident (none)
                      was a GOP-Denver dude posing as a Secret Service Agent. And the 3 are actually suing. IIRC the papers reported who the guy was that did the posing. I think it was in the Rocky Mountain News.

                      I'm wondering if some of the information that they now have is as a result of the news coverage following the Secret Service investigation of the situation.

                      As for campaing rallies. Remember the Loyalty Oath/Pledge thingy? Isn't it possible that the Secret Service group was give orders from the higher ups that "Anyone without a wristband (or whatever they used to mark loyalty oath signers) should not be allowed to enter the event"?  Like it or not, the GOP presidential campaign events were marked as private invite/oath signers only affairs. This was covered widely in the media. To the best of my knowledge, private campaign events aren't illegal.

                      Dems just had fewer of them...

                      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

                      by kredwyn on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 09:16:19 PM PDT

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          •  "In my experience" (none)
            "...in my experience, the Secret Service isn't in the business of issuing gangland-style threats to private citizens who are obeying the law but criticizing the President."

            Iny my experience, the president's top advisors are not in the business of outing undercover CIA agents to score cheap revenge points against people who are criticizing the President.

            In my experience, it isn't the business of the President to lead this country into a profiteer's wet dream of an endless war on the basis of baldfaced lies.

            In my experience, it isn't the business of the president's top counsel to advocate torture as legitimate statecraft.

            You know what?  Things have changed.  A lot.  Everything is different now.  I wouldn't put a single thing beyond these people, no matter how incredible it may seem to sane people.  This administration is insane.  They do things that make no apparent sense to sane people, because they have lost their moral compass and their moral sanity.  If you're so sanguine as to believe that that somehow doesn't include having people who cross them "accidentally" killed, you have a lot more faith than I do.

            •  Baloney (4.00)
              There is a critical difference between political appointees, who DO have a history of engaging in political activity (fancy that) and career civil servants in the Secret Service engaging in this sort of thing.

              "The government" does not equal "the administration".  And that's not a matter of "faith".  I'm a career federal government employee.

              •  Dammit (none)
                then, you should understand.  

                Who in the hell does Bush's security detail answer to??????

                The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

                by daveriegel on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 11:17:15 AM PDT

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              •  I stand by what I said. (none)
                And if anyone wants to give me another 1 rating because of it, fine.

                Look, I realize that there is a difference between political appointees and career gov't employees.  But you must admit that there has been an unprecedented amount of intimidation, coercion, and arm-twisting by this administration on all levels of government, not just their own appointees.  

                I would NOT put anything past them, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if their machinations have reached into the Secret Service as it has into so many other places in our government.

                That is all.

            •  Excuse me (none)
              Little Brother, but exactly how did my comment rate a 1?  If you disagree go a head and say so, and tell me why.  Abusing ratings is what a shithead does.
      •  Killers? Nous? (none)
        Oh that's right, the US government never ever would kill a civilian!

        Er... unless they happen to be Iraqi, residents of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, Vietnamese, Libyan, Cambodian, etc etc.

        Oh, all those funny furrners? How about Waco?

        </disgust>

        I would be more upset if I weren't so sedated...

        by Paolo on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 06:08:06 AM PDT

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        •  Hmmm (none)
          When you say "U.S. Government", what are you talking about?  The administration?  Secret Service?  Post Office?  Department of Agriculture?  Political appointees or career civil servants?

          The government isn't a monolithic block of behavior and attitude.

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