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    You appear to be making a mountain out of a mole hill...to use an antiquated cliche.

    A cliche indeed.  Inaccurate as well.

    Actually. I don't have to do anything."

    I agree.  So calm down, no one is trying to make you do anything you don't want to do.  Nor do I believe I could, just for the record.

    "BTW...that is an amazingly loaded and leading Yes or No question. So guess what...am not going to, nor do I have to, answer it.

    Again, the "I dont have to."  Nope, you sure don't.

    But the fact that you won't tells me all I need to know.

    "Amazingly loaded"?  Please!  Just direct.  And you don't seem capable of answering a direct question, or owning your assertions.

    And one of the things you clearly WANT to do is keep asserting your "Secret Service is corruptible" position -- made up and down this thread, and not just with me -- without taking responsibility for it.  

    Seems we have no disagreement that the GOP is nefarious, and capable of trying all manner of extra-legal manuevers.   Where we disagree is that you seem to think -- for reasons still not explained -- that the Secret Service is impervious to any pressure coming from the Bush administration to act on their political behalf.  I don't.

    We're getting nowhere.  So... believe what you must.  And enjoy.  

    Good night.  

    •  A PhD in Rhetoric... (none)
      makes a question like this:

      <<And you're dodging the overall point, I think.  So let me ask a few simple yes-or-no questions, and just see if we can get anywhere together from there:</p>

         1. Is it theoretically possible that the Secret Service could be put to work politically, for an unscrupulous President?  (Please note that I'm not saying murder, nor am I saying that every single agent would need to be corrupt.  So let's not slide down that slippery slope.)  

         2. If NO to # 1, please explain why -- and be specific.>>

      far from simple to answer. It's not as simple (black and white) to me as it is to you.

      A straight up 'yes' answer opens a whole gate of "see, I told you so they can be coerced into doing all sorts of heinous things". A straight 'no' answer is open to the "well what about this and that and that" response that generally includes JFK. And I don't see it as a simple question...I see that there are a whole bunch of context related nuances involved in your question.

      So here. Let me try this:

      • Theoretically speaking...it's possible for a NYC cop to be manipulated by an unscrupulous President.
      • Theoretically speaking...it's possible for a minister to be manipulated by an unscrupulous President.
      • Theoretically speaking...it's possible for 4 star generals to be manipulated by an unscrupulous President.
      • Realistically speaking...there is a CIA analyst wandering around suing because he was fired for not tweaking the evidence re: WMD.

      So...with the term theoretically firmly in place, it's possible that a Secret Service Agent could be manipulated by an unscrupulous President.

      However I would add one huge qualifier to any of these. And that qualifier is that the cop, minister, general, agent may have no knowledge of  the actual manipulation.

      Why do I say this? Because what seems to be "honestly doing their job by protecting the president" can be manipulation by a representative of the administration. And I'm not sure that it's fair to lay that on the Secret Service or the cop or the minister.

      Not too sure where you got this idea:
      <<And one of the things you clearly WANT to do is keep asserting your "Secret Service is corruptible" position -- made up and down this thread, and not just with me -- without taking responsibility for it.>>

      I have said repeatedly that it's made up of people...complete with human qualities. Do I want them to be incorruptible? Yes. They protect the president. That's any president...not just the ones you agree with. And I think that for the most part they do a pretty good job doing what they are supposed to do.

      As for the rest.

      Let's just say that I have some friends who work in and around the District. They are dedicated people who feel a sense of duty that is not about political games...it's about something bigger. And they work very hard to make sure that they do their job...without thought to the political games going on around their heads. They dislike the games. But they do their jobs.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 09:50:55 PM PDT

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    •  Maybe... (none)
      there's something that you're trying to say that I'm not getting.

      But if it has anything to do with blind faith, I can honestly say that there are few things that I believe without question.

      I have faith in most of my family.
      I have faith in my long time friends.

      I believe that they will be who they are. And if I need something they will do their darndest to help out.

      There are a few other things that I trust in. But I do not put a blind trust in much at all since I quit Sunday school at the age of 10 and took up the idea of Free Thinking a couple years later.

      And then there's the cat...who is really good at being a cat.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Sun Aug 07, 2005 at 11:12:58 PM PDT

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