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View Diary: Retiring Gen. Byrnes Fired Four Days After Retired Gen. Irvine Decries Torture (110 comments)

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  •  Integrity is never outdated (none)
    It's difficult for civilians to fully understand military culture. Please allow this former officer to explain why this firing was justified. It's very simple:

    The Army gives much attention to instilling integrity - not lying, cheating, stealing and all that. Adultery is an integrity violation.

    As CG of TRADOC, Byrnes was arguably the Army's chief trainer, the man charged with making sure the institution was, first and foremost, instilling integrity. The Army cannot have a man of compromised integrity in that position.

    •  If the army cares about integrity... (none)
      "As CG of TRADOC, Byrnes was arguably the Army's chief trainer, the man charged with making sure the institution was, first and foremost, instilling integrity."

      How can you instill integrity when your detention policies are devoid of any integrity or honor?

      •  Not his call (none)
        Really, it's not. He was the caretaker of the Army's training infrastructure. The kind of policy you talk about  comes at levels higher than his office. Moreover, field detention and interrogation policy is more in the hands of INSCOM, not TRADOC.

        I wouldn't discount the possibility of ulterior motives, but for the life of me I don't understand all the sympathy here. He established  himself as being an unfit caretaker of an organization charged with developing and enforcing cut-and-dried rules of conduct. Separated is not divorced, and adultery is adultery. The end.

        For frame of reference, I thought Bill Clinton should have resigned, too - despite my having voted for him twice. Liars shouldn't lead. Period.

        •  No one is objecting... (none)
          if sexual misconduct is the real reason for his departure, however there is too much evidence out there that the REAL reason was that he objected to un-American and illegal detention standards.

          Furthermore, others have already given examples where others who engaged in sexual misconduct where not disciplined.

          •  What evidence? (none)
            All I'm seeing is speculation, speculation fueled by what I have to say appears to be civilian failure to grok military culture.

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