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  •  What this might mean... (4.00)
    is that we are moving from the flypaper strategy to one more like a sponge policy.  By taking on the properties of a sponge, we now "absorb" everything.

    If you try to pick up on commone D.C. verbiage, does anyone else use Cheney's "if you will"??  As in "last throes, if you will?"

    Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

    by Viceroy on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 10:59:23 PM PDT

    •  And when you think "absorbant"... (4.00)
      ...you think of...TOILET TISSUE. Fruedian slip? Since Bush's incompetence has gotte this county in really deep sh#t?
    •  "If you will" is a hedge phrase (4.00)
      I had a colleague who used "if you will" all the time. He was a stunningly incompetent man who was often in over his head during conversations. He used "if you will" at the end of his sentences when he was not sure about the accuracy of what he was saying. This fits with Cheney's use - he wanted to plant the idea of "an insurgency in its last throes" out in the idea-sphere, but knew inside it was not accurate.  

      "Democracy begins in conversation." - John Dewey

      by TxTiger on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 01:53:15 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks! (none)
        Yeah, I've always took it to mean "if you will allow me...[to say something outrageous]" which could either be 'speaking truth to power' (as in a British servant addressing a particularly stupid Lord) or, as you suggest, as a feeling of insecurity like "if you will merely allow me to speak."  Cheney appears to use it as "if you will allow me to say something which I and you know to be untrue (or politically incorrect) but which moves the political discussion further towards support of my brazen policy."  Sadly, I think Cheney has completely transformed the meaning to the latter meaning.

        Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

        by Viceroy on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 10:10:42 PM PDT

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    •  sponge ? sponge ? (none)
      Don't you drag SpongeBob into this ! He didn't start this mess ! He has enough on his hands in Bikini Bottom. So to speak...

      Let's get some Democracy for America

      by murphy on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 04:23:03 AM PDT

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      •  Absorb is a strange word in itself (none)
        Absorb is almost a "passive" word, as if there was nothing you could do about absorbing.  One stands there and things come into your body/mind/psyche/consciousness.  It implies that you don't realize it at first.  You have to absorb it first.

        A person who "absorbs" things could be searching for things to "absorb" which would be more active than passive but one never knows the pleasure or pain of what they've absorbed until one has already done the absorbing.

        As I write, I have images of someone going through life trying differenct edible things.  One gives provides a nutritional effect but you don't realize that until you've absorbed it.  Another poisons you but you don't realize it until you've absorbed it.  So, absorbtion itself has a life of its own over which the one doing the "absorbing" takes a chance on.

        If this is true, is it no surprise that our administration would be full of "absorbers" willing to take the chance that their actions might produce pleasure or pain.  

        Also, to absorb something means you've either never experienced it before so you can't predict its outcome or you've ignored your experience before so you can ignore what seems like common sense.

        "The Absorbant Bush Administration". They blindly go about their business, absorbing its effect in its wake as we've sat in horror already knowing the plausible outcome.

        How irresponsble given the debth of responsbility intrinsic in leading a nation.

        •  he needs odor eaters stink absorbers (none)

          Be a Carville, not a Colmes

          by seesdifferent on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 08:49:06 AM PDT

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        •  Absorb (none)
          Additionally, I get the sense that this word is used in a way that implies that little change will result. As in absorbing blows. The same dynamic applies in reference to absorbing ideas. Net effect: zero. It is a macho attitude dressed up with consultant-speak. In my days as an environmental consultant, "Impacted" was the accepted synonym for "Contaminated".

          Interesting.

          "Be happy in your work" - Col. Saito

          by Prester John on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 09:21:55 AM PDT

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    •  Gingrich always says, (none)
      "it's remarkable." Both Cheney and Gingrich use "Frankly, . . . " a lot. Mark of a liar, that, IMHO.

      The name is not the thing named, the map is not the territory. -- Gregory Bateson

      by semiot on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 08:27:55 AM PDT

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