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  •  Stop, thief! (3.93)
    Did they demand non-consecutive serial numbers?

    Jeez, that's $2.4 billion down, $6.6 billion to go.  That's just the $9 billion we already know was stolen.  

    I wonder, would RICO allow the Federal government to seize the Carlyle Group and KBR for restitution?  That might begin to pay us taxpayers back for the biggest heist in history.

    I've started reading one of Greg Palast's books (The Best Democracy Money Can Buy) and it's clear the Bushes and their ilk have been getting away with this shit since Reagan.  Their greed is truly making them crazy, though.  How the hell do they think they can cover these tracks if it all starts to unravel for them?

    Lies are the new truth.

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Aug 16, 2005 at 10:10:52 PM PDT

    •  Biggest heist? Nah, (4.00)
      just a regular sized Busheist.

      According to Aviation Week and Space Technology, on September 11, 2001, just after all planes were grounded, the US Treasury Dept asked for and received permission for 200 flights to move 25 Billion (with a B).
      Where it was, I dunno.
      Where it went, I dunno.
      Was it paper money or gold bullion? I dunno.
      Alls I knows is what I read in Aviation Week and Space Technology, and they say that Ben Sliney authorized those 200 flights.
      Meanwhile, Bush had no fighter escort and Ari says that Air Force One was a target.
      Go figure.

      •  Somebody posted this link in a thread last week: (4.00)
        United Scatinos of America

        ... when honest historians assess the Bush administration, they will find it more useful to treat George II and his Republican cronies as a criminal organization rather than a political party. The best tool for analyzing Bush's policies is not historiography, but the procedures used by federal agents as they pursue a RICO investigation into a mobbed-up business.

        •  .. no, this is the madness of George III (4.00)
           1. George Washington -- greatest of them all, the man who gave us our independence

          2. George H.W. Bush -- scion of the Yankee aristocracy,  Combat pilot, shot down over the Pacific in WWII,  awarded Distinguished Flying Cross, Congressman, Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President, President.

          By any accurate count, W. is  America's George III.

          Jesus said to her: "Give me a drink." -- John 4:7

          by sayitaintso on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 05:35:18 AM PDT

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          •  One George giveth and Two George taketh away (4.00)
          •  Two Georges (4.00)
            They offered Washington the chance to become king, but he turned them down. Would George the Unwise do the same?

            If the two men met, Washington would just shake his head.

            •  No Washington would Kick him in the groin (4.00)
              and curb-stomp W while he's down for the mess W's  made of This country that Washington fought and bled for.   Then he'd add one more kick for our Draft-Dodger in Chief's reckless spending of Soldiers lives on a whim, and his disgraceful treatment of the veterans after they come home.

              Its worth noting that the almost-coup by his General Staff that washington put down by sheer force of personality, was instigated by Congress'es shabby treatment of Revolutionary War vets...

              Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

              by Magorn on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 10:14:19 AM PDT

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            •  I think you coined it (4.00)
              George the Unwise, as he shall be known from here and on out through history.

              we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

              by Tirge Caps on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 11:46:24 AM PDT

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        •  Historiography not used correctly. (none)
          The author of this article misused the word. As somebody with a degree in history and a love of true historiography, it sticks out like a giant sore thumb. You don't analyze historical events using historiography -- instead you use historiogrphay to analyze the way in which historians have formed the history of the Bush administration.

          Wikipedia :  Historiography

      •  Ben Sliney (4.00)
        I was unfamiliar with this person, but now know that 9/11 was Ben Sliney's first day on the job as FAA's National Operations Manager. Do the coincidences never end?

        He is mentioned in this article about the first chapter of the 9/11 report's omissions, contradictions and falsehoods. Extraordinary.

        Attend the Washington D.C. anti-war/impeachment march on September 24.

        by vlogger on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 06:03:21 AM PDT

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      •  Do you have a link to this? (none)
        Or the issue?

        I haven't read or heard this before.

        •  It was up on the Democratic Underground 911 forum (none)
          I used to post a lot there, until I pointed out a few facts about Sudan and over 100 faked CIA documents and then got Plamed.
          They are very touchy about Sudan over there.
          It is the next Iraq. Evil president, al Qaeda base, citizens in need of liberation, etc.

          Anyhow, I cannot search the archives for you and so I do not have the link to that thread which contains pretty interesting stuff.
          And the Aviation Weekly link does not appear to readily available.
          The thread with the info was originated by Paul Thompson and says something to the effect of "Order to stand down found."
          It is on the old server.

          •  Here are the links you requested (none)
            Aviation Week & Space Technology:
            June 10, 2002
            Sorting out who absolutely needed to fly from those who were simply inconvenienced ultimately fell to the national Defense Dept./FAA Air Traffic Services Cell (ATSC), a small office manned by military reservists and FAA specialists. Colocated with the FAA's national nerve center--the Air Traffic Control System Command Center here--the cell was established after the 1990-91 Persian Gulf war to facilitate movements of military aircraft in U.S., Pacific and European airspace. Reservists assigned to ATSC have strong backgrounds in fighter, tanker, AWACS and strategic airlift operations. Many are also airline pilots.

            On Sept. 11, military flights approved under Scatana's Wartime Air Traffic Priority List covered flights by U.S. and Canadian top government officials; "aircraft engaged in active continental defense missions"; airborne command and control aircraft; forces supporting and being deployed for combat operations, and search-and-rescue missions. Other issues demanding immediate ATSC attention included:

                * Four airline and National Transportation Safety Board "go teams" responsible for securing crash sites in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

                * Aircraft fighting several major fires in California.

                * Treasury Dept. movement of funds. Because nobody knew whether more large-scale attacks were imminent and where they might occur, Treasury officials requested approval for 200 flights to distribute about $25 billion in cash among major financial institutions.

                * Movement of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Secret Service and Nuclear Regulatory Commission teams.

                * Helicopters to evacuate workers from oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico as hurricanes approached.

            In the midst of this flurry of requests, ATSC leaders had to start preparing for possible mass military movements to parts unknown. "Our internal focus was: What is the military posture? Will there be forces deployed overseas? Will we need to build 'air bridges' to move 200,000 troops to [wherever] our leadership might want to project force? We were looking across a spectrum we'd never seen before," Meenan said.

            All morning, Sliney has refused to make exceptions. THREE TIMES HE ORDERED A JET CARRYING Attorney General John Ashcroft, WHO WAS HEADING TO WASHINGTON, TO LAND.
            Please recall that
            "On Sept. 11, military flights approved under Scatana's Wartime Air Traffic Priority List covered flights by U.S. and Canadian top government officials."

            After all aircraft were ordered to land, clearing U.S. skies, "we started asking questions about how to bring it all back up again," said Bridges. "We knew we had to get military, law enforcement and fire fighters back in the air soon, to defend and protect ."

            Yes. MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT and FIRE FIGHTERS were NOT allowed to fly on September 11, 2001. They, too, were grounded.
            Until further notice.
            "Treasury officials requested approval for 200 flights to distribute about $25 billion in cash among major financial institutions."

            My questions are many!

            (1) Where did the money go?
            (2) Why physically moving it? Don't we have computer systems that secure government holdings in secure cybervault accounts?
            (3) With all the other stuff going on, I don't recall hearing about this.....
            (4) and why such a puny amount? What's that buy, 1 hr of governmental operations? How does that save our economic stability?
            (5) Is there really a national procedure to do this? Or was this someone's bright idea in this administration?
            (6) A 200 plane amarda.......$125MM per plane........
            (7) Did we get it back? ALL of it back?
            (8) Would someone need to preplan to have $25BB available for moving? Or is it as simple as a call to your friendly US Treasury Secretary?
            (9) Was it gold bullion or dollars or what?

      •  Yeah (none)
        but you gotta admit that $25 Billion is more important than Bush, any day.

        "nusquam minus quam in bello eventus respondent" --- Hannibal

        by Warren Terrer on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 08:38:03 AM PDT

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    •  Why do they need to cover their tracks? (4.00)
      They own the media so the story will never get traction, they own the Congress so it will never be investigated and they own the judiciary so they will never get convicted. Pretty good deal heh?

      We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain, and we got to get ourselves back to the garden. - CSN

      by Central Scrutinizer on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 05:13:38 AM PDT

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      •  look at the date of the original LAT story... (4.00) was written two months ago.

        If this had happened during the Clinton administration, it would have been on all the TV networks and Congress would have held hearings on it.

      •  And there you have the vast Right Wing Conspiracy (none)
        The old guard Nixon Republicans went ballistic when Clinton got voted into office and upset their systematic theft of that Honey Pot the US Treasury. Their solution? PNAC and election rigging.
        Now that they are back in the drivers seat they are no holds barred on their mission to bankrupt our country and get rich in the process.
        Say good bye to any remnant of the New Deal say hello to  tax dollar robber barrons.

        "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing"....Oscar Wilde

        by 313to212 on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 11:30:47 AM PDT

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        •  and we just sit at our (none)
          computers whining about it. We are going to go down as the greatest cowards in history.

          We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain, and we got to get ourselves back to the garden. - Joni Mitchell

          by Central Scrutinizer on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 04:46:47 PM PDT

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          •  what should we do? (none)
            go to the White House right now and bang on the door? I'd love to. But you'll (the general you) never get enough Americans up to do it to make a difference. It's not just cause we're fat and lazy, though that's part of it. We're too far apart from each other. There are too damn many of us. And we're all too broke to just pick up and go to Washington. And all too tired from working our asses off for wages that are overtaxed (in comparison to the taxes paid on investment earnings).

            What to do? I just went to a vigil for Cindy Sheehan. I go to protests as much as I can. What else?

            Most Americans spend most of their time doing dumb sht. -- Chuck D

            by missreporter on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 06:35:17 PM PDT

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            •  Well hopefully the Cindy Sheehan protest (none)
              will come to something. She seems quite determined. That's more than I can say for the coward Democrats in Washington. When I watch these "Real TV" shows on tv I see Parliaments in Asia where fistfights break out regularly, I wouldn't mind seeing a fistfight in our Congress. I can't imagine these Asian countries being more corrupt than ours. I would have given half my yearly salary to have seen Leahy hall off and punch Cheney when he cursed at him that time. I would like to see more walkouts by the Democrats in Congress, more theatrics to get the public's attention. That's the only way they can get the pornographers that run CNN and the networks to take notice of them. Where is the creativity? It's not enough just to protest.

              We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain, and we got to get ourselves back to the garden. - Joni Mitchell

              by Central Scrutinizer on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 07:54:15 PM PDT

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          •  It's so true (none)
            I go to every protest I find out about (I just got back from the vigil for Cindy's efforts)
            I asked several friends here in NYC, who hate Bush and this war, to join me and this is the first time I couldn't even get one friend to go to a protest.
            I just can't believe we aren't all screaming and kicking and refusing to do anything else....I will if you will.

            "The public have an insatiable curiosity to know everything, except what is worth knowing"....Oscar Wilde

            by 313to212 on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 06:45:01 PM PDT

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    •  Maybe Fitzgerald is on to this too! (none)
      Maybe if God is looking after us, Fitzgerald will have something to say on this score as well.

      Maybe I'm just dreaming.

    •  Good catch, Nordic (none)
      Oh, John McClane, where are you where we need you? I wonder if a guy sounding like Jeremy Irons was at the bank...


      Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

      by jurassicpork on Wed Aug 17, 2005 at 05:36:11 PM PDT

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