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  •  I'm sorry (none)
    But WTF are you even talking about?  Your initial point seems to be that Hillary once stated, quite correctly, that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, contra the war drum that was being beaten by the Bushies.  But, even then, she was more than happy to vote for the IWR.  So what does her floor speech count for?  Not fucking much.  

    And now, she's directly parroting the BushCo line that Iraq is part of the WOT, or the global struggle against violent extremism, or whatever the catch acronym of the week is. (the reality is that it's part of CRAP, or "corporate raiders' aggressive profiteering").  I'm just amazed she hasn't said that "we're fighting terrorists abroad so we don't have to fight them at home."  Hillary is the one who's lost perspective on this, not Armando or anyone else here who is (correctly) attacking this Vichy Dem bullshit.  

    Here's some perspective for you: Right now, Chuck Hagel's position on Iraq is closer to my own (and, presumably, yours as well) than any Democrat's except Russ Feingold.  And that is a fucking disgrace.

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. --George Bernard Shaw

    by Categorically Imperative on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 11:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  it's what he says now... (none)
      now this is what he says when there's an election at stake that would have, actually, changed our course in iraq, this is what he says when the ass of a white house who he believes is disconnected from reality is on the line:

      Hagel in response to an ad by moveon.org:
      "I have never supported immediate removal of American troops from Iraq ... I have said that to withdraw from Iraq now would have catastrophic consequences that would ripple across a generation of Americans, Iraqis and the entire Middle East."

      Furthermore, in spite of his recent criticism about Bush administration policy in Iraq, Hagel said, "I have said I believe we can succeed in Iraq."

      you'll forgive me if, even though he is saying things that i would like to hear from more dems,... if i don't trust him.

      (OPTIMISM IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE! THE HEALTHY ATMOSPHERE STINKS! LONG LIVE TROTSKY!)

      by BiminiCat on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 12:03:44 AM PDT

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      •  Big deal (none)
        First, this propaganda about Iraq being part of the GWOT is indeed a Dick Cheney talking point. It's also highly acceptable to Democrats who are strong supporters of Israel, which in Hilary's case is more germane.

        Second, Hagel answers to his base. Hilary does not answer to her base. Are you surprised that the base doesn't like it, particularly on an issue where the stakes are so very high?

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