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  •  There are similarities (none)
    but come on, there are also quite a few differences.

    There are no fatwas.
    Women CAN hold position in government.
    Women CAN don't have to wear veils.
    Women CAN have jobs.
    Women DO have property rights.
    Women AREN'T legally killed because of infidelity (emphasis on legally).

    YES, we need to call out the Dobson of the US.  Yes, we need to emphasize the closeminded fundamentalism, and its power in the GOP.

    But simply comparing United States homegrown fundamentalism with Islamic fundamentalism, simply invites derision, because the differences between the two are WIDE.  

    •  really? (none)
      You need to go to James Dobson's site and do some homework. It is only a matter of degree and what they feel they can get away with.

      Change 10% of the electorate and we will have a landslide and a mandate.

      by Jlukes on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 01:09:42 PM PDT

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    •  They can NOW ... it's the future that's at stake (4.00)
      The point of those Bible-reading sessions is not to find support for maintaining the status quo, but for plotting future policies.

      These folks are out to fundamentally (no pun intended) change the nature of our government and our culture. They believe that is their mission in life.

      So it may be true that American women may not ever have to wear veils, don't think for a moment that these people don't intend to roll back the opportunities that women have in this country.

      As for non-Christians, well, if these folks get their way, they would need to be prepared to have Christian prayer in every school, a Nativity scene in every town square, and the Ten Commandments in every   public building.

      These Christian Warriors are not playing around. They are out to take over the country by legal means, and they mean business. They have a strategy, they have the passion, and they have the resources.

      They are at war with the rest of us. Problem is, THEY know that and we don't. We change, or our America is toast.

      •  I agree that the future is at stake (none)
        Absolutely.  I don't question the goal of neutralizing the absolutist fundamentalists and their cozy relationship with the Republican party (scarily, they close to ARE the Republican party).

        So I guess it is a question of tactics.  The statement "Christian Fundamentalism is just like Islamic Fundamentalism" is demonstrably false enough - look at the examples I cite - that this statement can end up having the wrong tactical effect - so we are summarily dismissed as loony for making it. Now, hey, what do I know about tactics?  Nothing.  But it is a completely simplistic statement.  If you had a grid with american fundamentalism beliefs in one column, and Islamic fundamentalism beliefs in another column, then you could have a 3rd colum with a "Yes" or "No" to see if there were the same.  

        Down the line, the "No"'s would way outnumber the "Yes"'s.

        That's all I'm saying...

        •  I agree (none)
          Yes, I agree that tactically it would not be effective.  It's too easy to make it seem ludicrous.

          The truth is scarier but more subtle. We need more than good bumper stickers and catch phrases to win these battles.

    •  Islamic terrorists and evangelical Christians (none)
      Most writers and readers of the Daily Kos probably do not have any close friends who are evangelical Christians so it is easy to fall into absurd stereotypes. Many conservative Christians may be a little far to the right and narrow minded at times, but to compare them to Islamic terrorists is hyperbolic. Any movement will have a few loose cannons like Pat Robinson and nut cases like Eric Rudolph, but there is certainly no comparison between the religious right in the U.S. and the Taliban.

      The reality that many progressive activists cannot tell the difference between law-abiding Americans with traditionalist values who express themselves at the ballot box and Muslim suicide bombers is one reason why the Democratic Party has lost the ability to communicate with Middle America.

      •  that wasn't what he said (none)
        Kos didn't compare conservative Christians with Islamic TERRORISTS or suicide bombers. He compared our religious fundamentalists with their religious fundamentalists. Those words are not the same.

        There are many Muslim fundamentalists that work to create political structures that reflect their narrow philosophy, and that is strikingly similar to what the extreme pseudo-Christians are doing here today. Both groups feel they have a monopoly on the truth, seek to stifle dissent, and want to deprive women of their rights.

        It's a comparison worth noting.

        Of science and the human heart, there is no limit. -- Bono

        by saucy monkey on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 08:17:56 PM PDT

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