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  •  Interest of Country? (4.00)
    Clinton substantially eliminated the welfare safety net, more or less continued the Wolfowitz-authored defense policies of his predecessor (thus nicely preparing the way for the lunacy we're living with now), did nothing to raise fuel efficiency standards on cars, completely failed to give us national healthcare (after running on this issue in 1992), created the mess that is "don't ask, don't tell," asked for much of the PATRIOT Act following the Oklahoma City bombing, encouraged media consolidation with the Telecommunication Act of 1994, moved his party significantly to the right,brought us NAFTA and the WTO,...

    On the other hand, he pursued a largely sensible fiscal policy.

    All that being said, Jimmy Carter, though a fine human being, was a completely mediocre president, who, notably unlike Clinton, proved to have great problems communicating with the American people (remember the infamous "malaise" speech?).  At the time of their respective presidencies, both Carter and Clinton were arguably the most conservative Democratic president since Grover Cleveland.

    Gimme FDR any day.

    "This war is an ex-parrot." - The Editors

    by GreenSooner on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 06:01:09 AM PDT

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    •  FDR got many thousands of Jews killed (none)
      by turning them away from the US in 1940 and later.

      Yet I say he was still a great President and I am (technically at least) Jewish.

      Judged by the standards of his peers, WJC was a great President.

      Carter was a good man, but a ineffective President in many ways.

      It's the Dishonesty, Stupid!

      by dabize on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 06:26:27 AM PDT

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      •  Not Exactly (none)
        The U.S. for much of the 1930s had a 25% unemployment rate.  There was simply no political capital whatsoever for lifting the immigration restrictions that had been imposed in the 1920s (in part for racist/ethnocentric reasons).

        Could FDR have advocated opening the doors to Jewish refugees in the 1930s? Yes. Would it have made any difference in U.S. immigration policy? Almost certainly not. Holding FDR personally responsible for America's closed borders is thus not entirely fair.  In addition, once WWII was actually underway (and, of course, the Holocaust proper did not begin until the war was at full steam) a reasonable (though by no means irrefutable) argument can be made that doing everything possible to achieve military victory was the best way to save the maximum number of Jews.  (FWIW, I'm Jewish, not that that matters.)

        I would rate Clinton a successful president, just as I'd rate Reagan a successful president. They both accomplished much of what they set out to do. IMO, both led the country in the wrong direction. Carter, as you say, was not a successful president  in this sense.

        "This war is an ex-parrot." - The Editors

        by GreenSooner on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 07:50:33 AM PDT

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    •  Wow, Clinton did all that! (none)
      It's a good thing he had a willing Congress and press.

      What? He didn't?

      •  Everything I Mentioned... (none)
        were initiatives actively taken by the administration (e.g. Telecommunications Act of '94, welfare "reform," trade, "don't ask, don't tell," defense/foreign policy), or failures that took place when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress (healthcare).

        Clinton was blessed with perfectly horrible political enemies and an utterly unreasonable press.  But the enemy of one's enemies is not necessarily one's friend.

        "This war is an ex-parrot." - The Editors

        by GreenSooner on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 07:42:25 AM PDT

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    •  Carter could have gotten re-elected in a walk. (none)
      if he had just bombed the snot out the Iranians as the opening volley of the, I don't know, "Global War on Terror"?  The fact that he didn't do it is to his eternal credit.

      He also would have won if the hostages had been released before the election, which would have happened had Reagan, Bush, Casey et all not been engaged in a traitorous conspiracy to keep it from happening.

      Don't get me started.

      But for my money, Carter was arguably the last thoroughly decent man to occupy the White House.

      •  Three Mile Island.... (none)
        Would, to this day, be a glowing concrete sarcophagus-in-the-ground were it not for Carter.  I give him loads of credit for that!

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