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  •  BRILLIANT! (none)
    I'm so glad you referred to that great movie. One of the great left-wing polemics you're going to find in the popular arts, and cultural snobbery or misinformation prevents the people who would most enjoy it from seeing it.

    I saw it a second time recently, after 9-11, and was amazed at all the parallels.

    •  Too bad (none)
      the acting blew.

      Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain

      by GTPinNJ on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 09:58:01 AM PDT

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      •  Dude, it was all about Dina Meyers (none)
        Dizzy Flores.  She was the hotness.  

        Ratcheck.  He was the badassness.

        Doogie Howser.  He was the gothness.

        Rico and Carmen.  Meh, not so much.

        "I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1797.

        by Heartcutter on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:03:05 AM PDT

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    •  Gotta Disagree with you... (none)
      True, the movie tries -- I'm not sure it succeeds -- in undermining the rightwing ideology of the (far, far better) Robert Heinlein novel it was adapted from. But, unless I'm forgetting something, the result is just sort of nihilistic, not left wing in any coherent way.

      And, yeah, the acting sucked, though that was sort of on purpose, but in this case it was no excuse. If you're looking for snarky political commentary Voerhoeven's "Robocop" is a milliion times better. It's politics, however, are sort of have my cake and eat it too combination of law-and-order conservatism and leftish satire on modern day business.

      "The days of me not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

      by LABobsterofAnaheim on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 10:51:01 AM PDT

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    •  Left wing? (none)
      I guess since I read the book and did not see the movie I find the idea of Starship Troopers being left-wing as laughable to the extreme.

      Starship Troopers (the novel) is essentially advocacy for the "strict father" form of parenting and government. While I can agree with parts of it (the military itself was a meritocracy, for one thing, and service was required for Citizenship) there was just too much authoritarianism for me to be comfortable with it.

      Not to say I didn't enjoy reading the book. I did. There's a reason why it's a classic of science fiction. However, I wouldn't want to live in a society patterned that way.

      Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

      by admiralh on Fri Aug 26, 2005 at 11:10:37 AM PDT

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      •  Marine Command College Reading List (none)
        I have a friend who is a retired Marine Lt. Colonel.

        During a discussion about "why is the military so pro-Republican," I ended up recommending this book to him.  He said he had already read it, because it was on the required reading list for the USMC Command College.

        (BTW, he liked the book.  And he's a hard-core Republican.)

      •  That's why the movie is great. (none)

        The movie is fantastically fun because it takes them right-wing bullshit and amps it up to the point that it turns into parody. The scary thing is that a lot of people I've watched it with don't even recognize the fact that it's parody, and see it as a typical kill-em-all Rambo-style action movie.
        •  i know... (none)
          i felt like i was on crazy pills when i walked out the movie (the first of 5 (five) times i saw it in the theater, by far the most i've ever done) and no one else got the joke.  i was blown away and laughed like crazy.  that scene where the mother is stepping on the cockroaches and hysterically laughing, while the soudtrack intones "See, these people are doing their part."  man that's good stuff.
        •  I don't know that Heinlein (none)
          Was really that right-wing. His "future history" has America becoming a right-wing religious dictatorship, the society in Starship Troopers is created by the soldiers as a reaction to this. I think the theory was that so many people don't vote because they aren't really participating. By making your vote cost something, you value it more and actually think about it. None of this is compulsory, it's just that rights come with a price.
          I think the reason the movie doesn't turn into as big a joke as some other Verhoven projects is that Heinlein was such a brilliant writer, you can't tell if he's advocating or warning or both...
    •  Great Book - Lame Movie n/t (none)

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