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    The sad thing is, this is exactly what we said would happen when these morons started his war. I think they knew it, too, but did the risk/reward and figured it was worth it. Assholes.

    Let's go back to E Pluribus Unum

    by hazzcon on Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 08:43:23 PM PDT

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    •  or maybe they're just fine with it that way. (none)
      If we have our bases there, so the thinking may go, we can keep an eye on the oil and be able to launch special ops easily throughout the region.  

      It might even be, I hate to say it, that the Saudis and others would be quite happy to never see Iraq produce a lot of oil in the future, because they can make extra bank that way, and if Iraq's in a civil war then I suppose they won't be bothering their neighbors.  

      I hate to think like this, just trying to figure out what could possibly be going on.  It's hard to believe W and them could be as stupid as they seem to be on the surface.  And I'm not sure which is the right way to think of W.  Is he stupid, like I used to think, or nefarious, which is the way I'm leaning now?

      •  People smatrter than Bush though about it long (4.00)
        before he did.

        Zbigniew Brzezinski in "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives" wrote:

        A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania [Australia] geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 percent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 percent of the world's GNP and about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources.

        That power is us, of course. Dominating central Eurasia is key to dominating the world. These people don't think small.

        Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

        by brenda on Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 09:14:59 PM PDT

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    •  everyone (4.00)
      Everyone assumes Bush is an idiot, and his guys didnt do any planning on Iraq.  They also tend to pin Bush as being an oil grabbing tryant.

      I see it like this.  Bush is simple and addled.  He has always thought that Hussein was a world class nemesis instead of a two-bit strongman.  When 9/11 took him by surprise - and I think it really did - he immediately believed Iraq involved because Hussein is a nemsis.  So his guys took all the evidence, and stripped out anything that was contradictory, and accentuated and puffed up everything that was complimentary, and presented it to him.  In his administration no one is ever frowned on for being a yes man, and no one is ever promoted for being a questioner.  He was convinced, and so, it was just a matter of convincing enough others to get onboard.

      As far as planning, the initial operation went according to plan, but then it went to shit.  His original plan was to hand over the reins to Chalibi, who his guys believed to a modern day George Washington in exile.  Turns out everyone knew him to be a fraud and a liar.  I figure Bush and his guys planned 6-weeks from the days the marines hit the proverbial beach.  After that Chalibi would swoop in and take over as President, and institute democracy on Washington's timetable.

      We all know how that turned out.

      Same thing goes with the hurricane.  Bush never figured for the leevee system going tits up.  He figured he'd sign a disaster decleration, do a few photo-ops, get a 5-pt bounce, and ride it a few months into Social Security reform and the Roberts confirmation.

    •  What do they care... (4.00)
      ...if Iraq is a catastrophe?  They've succeeded in dumping half the U.S. treasury into Halliburton's bank account.  Mission fucking accomplished.

      --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

      by asskicking annie on Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 09:02:23 PM PDT

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