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  •  there's something ironic (none)
    about a post entitled "the media is lying to you" that uses like 10 excerpts from various media outlets to prove its central thesis.

    Ann Arbor is a city, not my name

    by AnnArborBlue on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 12:02:45 PM PDT

    •  I've Seen... (none)
      ... the major media state flatly over and over that the breaches occurred on Tuesday.  I had to dig like hell to find the tiny mentions that prove otherwise.  As far as I'm concerned, that's lying.

      Elect a Texan, lose a war.

      by Irfo on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 12:07:31 PM PDT

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      •  They ocurred late (none)
        Monday, early Tuesday, right?

        Listen to the comments, change your title to your real target: TV News Misleading on Breach Time.  And state who is doing it.

        Anything by Loudon Wainwright III

        by Earl on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 12:14:11 PM PDT

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        •  early Monday (none)
          It was around 2AM Monday morning.  The water level in New Orleans had equilibrated with Lake Pontchartrain by noon Tuesday.
        •  New Orleans newspaper says "late Monday (4.00)
          morning." Here's the link for the Tuesday story:

          After the mighty storm came the rising water

          Tuesday, August 30, 2005

          By Doug MacCash and James O'Byrne
          Staff writers

          A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new `hurricane proof' Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina's fiercest winds were well north.

          The breach sent a churning sea of water from Lake Pontchartrain coursing across Lakeview and into Mid-City, Carrollton, Gentilly, City Park and neighborhoods farther south and east.

          In my opinion, this diarist is RIGHT to challenge an idea I've seen expressed too, that somehow New Orleans was OK after the storm, but then the levee broke.

          Help should have been sent immediately after the the storm passed over on Monday morning.

          •  All That Digging... (none)
            ... and you found a quote better than all of mine!

            Thanks for posting that, it's the best confirmation yet.

            Elect a Texan, lose a war.

            by Irfo on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 12:44:20 PM PDT

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          •  actually, once they knew the water was overtopping (none)
            they should have been doing something.  Overtopping erodes the levee (or erodes a dam, when a dam is overtopped) and makes it quite likely that the levee or dam will give way.  This is what happened in the Johnstown Floods in 1889 and in 1977; dams getting overtopped and then going.

            Be a patriot...Buy a hybrid vehicle!

            by billlaurelMD on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 12:50:59 PM PDT

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            •  maybe they would've been doing (none)
              something, except all the special high-water, earth-moving heavy equipment was in Iraq?

              (as per early August story with quotes from a local Nat'l Guard bigwig that's been posted here a lot.)

              Also, another Times-Picayune story/breaking news item had local officials out at 9:30 a.m. Monday morning checking reports of a broken levee, and not being able to tell if it had breached or was just still overtopping.

              I don't know how many miles of levees there are in New Orleans, or how much of that is critical, but obviously there wasn't an adequate plan (or personnel) to check, let alone fix, the breaches in a timely fashion.

              But don't blame local emergency workers, or local officials, please -- they were out there trying.

              •  believe me, I don't.... (none)
                they were shorthanded.  Someone else has a diary called "Small Government Kills" or something like that.  It may discuss how much shorthandedness contributed to this.

                Be a patriot...Buy a hybrid vehicle!

                by billlaurelMD on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 02:12:59 PM PDT

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        •  Who's Doing It (none)
          The New York Times, lead article, page A1, first sentence, yesterday:

          August 31, 2005

          New Orleans Is Now Off Limits; Pentagon Joins in Relief Effort

          By JOSEPH B. TREASTER and N. R. KLEINFIELD
          NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 30 - A day after New Orleans thought it had narrowly escaped the worst of Hurricane Katrina's wrath, water broke through two levees on Tuesday and virtually submerged and isolated the city, causing incalculable destruction and rendering it uninhabitable for weeks to come.

          [...]

          The New York Times is sometimes called the 'Gray Lady.'  That was the reference at the beginning of my diary.  I won't be changing my title.

          Elect a Texan, lose a war.

          by Irfo on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 01:03:45 PM PDT

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          •  That's a stretch, Irfo (none)
            That could mean Tuesday, 12:01 am. I don't see an attempt to mislead here. Please keep digging though, it's worth it.

            Anything by Loudon Wainwright III

            by Earl on Thu Sep 01, 2005 at 01:07:25 PM PDT

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