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  •  Of course they are kept out. (none)
    Many of the same people who rail against the private security folks interfering with military operations in Iraq - now all of a sudden think private/civilian teams, with even less coordination and organization than any PSD in Iraq, should be free to enter the danger zone.

    What the official coordinators fear is that the civilian rescuers will soon themselves need to be rescued.

    Remember, these are the same officials who can barely keep track of their own units and missions -- the last thing they want are another 500 boats bringing victims here and there, who may likely/possibly become victims themselves.

    and so on...

    •  What you just said is bullshit... (4.00)
      According to your fucked up logic, you shouldn't dive into a swimming pool to save a drowning kid, unless you are a certified lifeguard?

      When you are that overwhelmed, and obviously short manpower, you take all comers.

      New Orleans-- 72 hours later no communications, no drinking water, not enough police/troops. Bottomline, we're not prepared for another 9/11.

      by DeanFan84 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:59:00 PM PDT

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      •  sorry for the late reply. (none)
        Using your analogy:

        If the police and fire department are at the scene of the drowning - you do not want to interfere by jumping in the water yourself.

        not that I am arguing that everything was well handled but

        The problem with "off-the-grid" rescuers is that they add even more chaos to an out of control situation. For example, JOC dispatched missions will arrive at their targets and not find anyone, because  the unmanaged rescuers have already been there. The dispatched mission will be wasted, and it will be delayed while it looks for the victims they were dispatched to collect.

        What the volunteer organizers should have done, as many others have, is to work with FEMA to get themselves on the net. I know that this sounds like uneccessary red-tape but that's the way it has to be to keep things as sane as possible.

        Another problem with off the net rescuers is that they will not have a designated place to bring the victims. More than once the officials have been surprised by finding hundreds of people at a pickup point when they were expecting 10's of people. So in some cases the victims may be better off waiting at their homes rather than at some exposed field pickup point - one where the officials do not expect, and are not equipped to find 100's of victims.

        In this case, the problem seems to be the people organizing/collecting the 500 boats were not coordinating with FEMA. And/or FEMA was not prepared, at that time, to absorb another 500 boats into their rescue operations.

    •  What part of ..experienced (none)
      lifelong boatsmen did you fail to understand?

      Bring them home. Now.

      by nargel on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 05:45:37 PM PDT

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    •  Obviously you don't know shit (4.00)
      about Cajun outdoors people, hunters and fishers. They can get places no one else can and get back, regardless of the conditions. You don't savvy how in their element they are and would have been. Of all the people there, those people would have been the ones who knew exactly what they were doing.
      •  ditto: you don't know shit about cajuns (4.00)
        More expert opinions from the peanut gallery.. (the guy you were REPLYING to, not you. They may be "stupid" to some, but they are a resourceful people, always have been.

        I want to also echo that if anyone didn't see the video that more or less demonstrates that they locked people inot these places and left them stranded, and sat on their asses with federal aid somehow inexplicably detained, take a look, at of ALL things -- this Fox News segment.  As Crooks & Liars said, they gave Hannity a real slapdown -- and you could see there was no posturing by the on the ground reporters. When you cut to Hannity in his dapper suit in the comfortable studios, pontificating as though he's got the perspective of being clear headed while the reporters are just too caught up in it to see the bigger picture, you want to take that guy out.

        Amazing footage never again to be seen on Fox News. They'll probably demote the guy for violating the talking points.

        WATCH VIDEO:


        N.O. native needs help w/ | portal

        by rhfactor on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:03:03 PM PDT

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      •  I'll second that... (none)
        The folks that get out and really live in the outdoors (Translation: Navigate without the latest in space-age GPS gadgets, hunt with bows & arrows, and hunt wild boar on foot with their dogs) are the ones you'd want doing this.

        In the same fashion, if I had to go through a storm at sea with my choice of a 50-year old uneducated sailor or a 22 year old Naval Academy grad... well, I'd gladly take the old salt any day.

        Book-learnin' only goes so far.

      •  Cajun Coast Guard (none)
        Here is a link to an article on one of the strangest military outfits of WW2. It is an good example of the abilities of the Cajun people on the water.

        The present administration is rolling back the Great Society, the New Deal, the Enlightenment, and the Renaissance.

        by JohnInWestland on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 08:24:08 AM PDT

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        •  Swamp Angels (none)
            That's a fine story. Really enjoyed it. I do a lot of history wrt my position at a history museum. That's a rich legacy and once again reinforces the idea that the good people of Lafayette could have saved many lives in NO.

            THere was a small German submarine (which my local buddy said) which ran aground just south of St. Louey pass between Galveston and Freeport. Out in the surf about 75 yards, it was a good fishing spot I frequented. It's not visible anymore.

            I live in Central Texas and we have always gotten a lot of Louisiana hunters up here. They are very effective hehe, which I've always respected due to my coming from hard-scrabble, depression-era country families. And I married a woman from Orange who was part of a large cross border family, so my kids are half-Cajun.

          •  U 171 Found? (none)
            You may know the location of an unknown U Boat. There is supposed to be only one U boat sunk in the Gulf, the U 166, which is shown on this map.


            This page references there being only one U Boat in the Gulf.


            It is thought that the U 171 was lost off the coast of France returning from the Gulf of Mexico...

            The present administration is rolling back the Great Society, the New Deal, the Enlightenment, and the Renaissance.

            by JohnInWestland on Mon Sep 05, 2005 at 06:19:48 PM PDT

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            •  Will check definitive source (none)
                I don't remember exact details, but I know someone who will. My fishing buddy is a native to the area. He's in Ohio now and I have emailed him. Will check back when he replies, probably tomorrow.

                The ship was metal, with just the superstructure showing and not big. Most of it was embedded in the sand about 150-200 yards off shore, around the third sand bar. You could get relatively close at a real low tide.

            •  Civil War blockade runner (none)
                My buddy wrote back that it had always been known as a Civil War blockade runner and was probably wood hull construction. What we saw in the surf was the boiler and even some upper structure which was part of it.

                I first saw this in the 1960s, so it would have been 100 years old by then. Don't know when it finally disappeared from sight; no direct beach road now but you can drive down the beach from San Luis pass, about a mile or two, or up the coast from beach access roads. There's a grove of small trees, a relatively rare occurance at that part of the coast, at the place where the wreck was. It may be buried or just moved up the coast.

                Heck, it may have been salvaged or moved, even though I never heard such a news report. I have another person I can contact in Freeport to see if there is additional info.

              •  very neat! (none)
                Thank you for following up. I grew up in Fla., and know that some really strange things can show up in the beach/surf from time to time.

                The present administration is rolling back the Great Society, the New Deal, the Enlightenment, and the Renaissance.

                by JohnInWestland on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 03:44:41 PM PDT

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