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  •  Help me translate George Will - I got nothin' (none)
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9014028/

    George Will has a new article up on MSNBC.  I just read the whole thing.

    Often I disagree with him. Often he seems like a pompous ass.  This time, I got nothing.  

    I can't figure out what he is trying to say.  It's notable I guess that he isn't lining up on the Bush sideline.  Maybe.  Because I can't figure out what he's writing about.

    I think he's saying that the New Orleans disaster is a big deal for the nation.  Take a look - what do you guys think?

    •  The money quote (none)
      "This is a liberal hour in that it illustrates the indispensability, and dignity, of the public sector."

      Yeah well, did any librul claim otherwise? It's the Republicans who systematically destroy the public sector with tax cuts and more tax cuts and sell the country down the river.

      "It also is a conservative hour, dramatizing the prudence of pessimism, and the fact that the first business of government, on which everything depends, is security."

      Yeah, but its not a FINE conservative hour. Conservatives claim that security is the most important business of the government. Grover might say its the only business government has.

      And its THIS BUSINESS the Bush government has fucked up, time an again.

      •  The definition of security (none)
        Conservatives, like Norquist, don't see how government can provide security beyond the military, and disregard the notion of providing for the General Welfare of the Nation, which is tantamount to security, so long as the citizenry is appropriatly regarded as comprising the nation itself.

        We need an FDR, but all we got was a lousy W.

        by jaywillie on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:26:32 PM PDT

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    •  Shorter Will (none)
      1. 9/11 times one-hundred.  Yes, 91,100.
      2. A Thomas Hobbes reference always makes me seem so so smart.
      3. Hey Newsweek, didn't I tell you I'm on vacation this week??!!  I'm phoning this one in.
    •  Agree hard to comprehend (none)
      Here's what I got.

      What George saw in NO --> Without forces compelling people to behave they become "primitive" (is this a code word used in eugenic circles?).  The lesson he takes is that people need government which compels them to behave.  Otherwise they won't.  So he thinks he finds common ground with liberals.  Some government is necessary in order to keep the barbarians from the gate.

      What I saw in NO -->  Even in intolerable conditions people will still behave in ways that benefit the community even at some expense to themselves.  That even when their trust is betrayed through incompetence or worse people still strive to behave with civility and dignity. Government is a trust people give to others to maintain civility.  Break that trust at your peril.

      Don't forget, ePluribus Media isn't them, it's US. That means you too.

      by Bionic on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:26:56 PM PDT

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      •  Code word... (none)
        [snip] Without forces compelling people to behave they become "primitive" (is this a code word used in eugenic circles?). [snip]

        Short answer = YES

        I Support the Separation of Church and Hate...
        Rev Denise Michel
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        by rev denise michel on Sun Sep 04, 2005 at 09:07:12 AM PDT

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    •  I am soooo glad it isn't just me (none)
      I read the damn thing twice and couldn't find the point.  Good to know other folks are just as mystified.
    •  Will tends to ramble... (none)
      But, hidden between his philosophical bullshit, this sounds almost like a mea culpa.
      the storm's lingering reverberations will alter the nation's mind far more than 9/11 did....

      America's "reconstruction" of Iraq is an attempt, now in its third year, to conjure from the desert air something that Katrina dispersed in New Orleans in a few hours—civility. It will not be long until, and will not be unreasonable or mean-spirited when, many Americans wonder whether rebuilding schools and sewage-treatment facilities in Iraq competes with rebuilding them on America's Gulf Coast....
      Neither Newark nor Detroit has really recovered from the 1967 rioting...
      This is a liberal hour in that it illustrates the indispensability, and dignity, of the public sector. It also is a conservative hour, dramatizing the prudence of pessimism, and the fact that the first business of government, on which everything depends, is security.

      IMO, he is stating that many will question the amounts in the federal budget that are going to rebuild Iraq, and wonder why the same cannot be done here.  The invasion of Iraq/destruction was man-made, where NOLA/Katrina was a natural disaster.  He also compares how other cities in this country have been destroyed, and notes that they, specifically Detroit, are not even a shadow of their former self.

      It appears that he could be admitting that the liberal thought re:  the importance of the public sector/functions/responsibilities of government is prefereable over the conservative mindset that has been parroted by bushco.  This could also be considered as a wake-up call to conservatives, that it is necessary to stop privatizing everything and recognize that "the first business of government, on which everything depends, is security."

      Am I too gererous w/my interpetation of Will, or does it sound like he is stating that bushco really blew it?

      bush jams while thousands die in NOLA=Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

      by Street Kid on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:49:32 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (none)
        He's saying that this is what people DO when the thin veneer of civilization is removed. You have to have security and this government did not provide it.

        Can't believe he didn't blame the victims.

        I definitely don't see it as pro-BushCo.

      •  There is a hint of racism in his article (none)
        The Detroit and Newark riots in 1967 were not natural disasters; they were man-made events that resulted from real and perceived frustrations of the local poor black communities. Though I wouldn't agree, it could be argued that lack of full rebuilding is a defensible position.

        This fiasco has to do with victims, not perpetrators. To equate it with those riots sounds like a cute way to rationalize not rebuilding.

        •  didn't catch that one. (none)
          but should have, dammit!!!  especially since i lived in detroit in '67.  all i cansay is that i has some wine, thinking and typing is gettin more difficult, so its time to call it a nite.  

          bush jams while thousands die in NOLA=Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

          by Street Kid on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:56:03 PM PDT

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    •  I got it! (none)
      He wrote a piece of crap!  That was his intent.

      No, really, there was something about conservatism (proper or true conservatism or something of that nature) and how it recognizes crowds turning into mobs when suicide bombers cross bridges and flood cities or something like that.

      It's the sort of writing a certain Elsinore prince referred to as "words, words, words."  It's writing that's trying to conceal important feelings, important information, convoluted to hide.  Hide what?  Perhaps the writer's recognition that he is a fraud?  Perhaps.

      Above all it amazes me how emotionally conservatives cling to the idea of power.

      And how vociferously they yelp how rational and collected they are.

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