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  •  As far as the "deciding" thing goes, (none)
    the way I see it is we need to decide where to draw the line between standing up uncompromisingly for what we believe in and where we deem it necessary to support the lesser of 2 bad choices in order to prevent the greater bad choice from prevailing. Are we willing to lose more elections to extremists like the Bush gang as a result of refusing to vote for Democrats that will sell us out on our principles? Or, conversely, are we willing to elect self-serving and unprincipled hacks just for the sake of the (D) they have after their name in the hopes that once the Dems regain the majority that all of a sudden they'll become principled again and roll back the excesses of the Repubs?

    A terrible spot to be in, especially given the extreme potential for catastrophe when our choices fail.

    I don't know about you, but most of my votes in recent years have been "against" the other guy, not "for" the one I wind up giving my vote to. And this is a disturbing sign that our democracy is not functioning too well.

    Defeat the sound-bite.

    by sbj on Mon Sep 05, 2005 at 08:32:34 PM PDT

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    •  Principles... (none)
      [snip] I don't know about you, but most of my votes in recent years have been "against" the other guy, not "for" the one I wind up giving my vote to. And this is a disturbing sign that our democracy is not functioning too well. [snip]

      NOTE: will respond to whole comment, just snipped above to save space.

      What you say here is the definition f a democracy that isn't finctioning well. And like yours, most of my votes, lately, have been against rather than for.

      To me, there isn't much difference between a D who will sell out our principles and an R who just doesn't lie about intending to do it. At least we know where the R stands. The D is the real crap-shoot. Will s/he or will s/he not, uphold our principles. Seriously, campaign promises are as worthless as used toilet paper. No D in his/her right mind will actually come out and admit s/he is gonna cave on our most cherished principles. But when they actually get to the floor, they cave, so we lose, regardless. Again, the only difference is that we know the R cares nothing for our principles, and we hope that the D will care (but we simply have no guarantees).

      About the only thing I do know for certain... If we leave BushCo in situ for another 3 years, the whole damn thing may well be academic. We may not have a country to rebuild if he is left loose to do more damage and kill God only knows how many more Americans (or other people he eyes with suspicion), you know?

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      by rev denise michel on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 05:27:14 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly, as bad as things are now, (none)
        the worst effects of the Bush regime's destructive policies and actions are designed to impact us after they're out of office. Cheney and his neocon psychopaths have set in motion extremely dangerous global forces that will require, (at the minimum), decades of really serious effort to first neutralize and then eliminate.

        Domestically too, their assault on the very foundations of Democracy has included the looting of the economy and the starvation of any and all social programs designed to do what government's only legitimate purpose for existence requires it to do; to protect, sustain and where possible improve the lives of the citizenry.

        Certainly I can't argue against deposing these criminals. If I had my way they'd all be tried for treason and spend the rest of their lives in a very uncomfortable prison, possibly one in a foreign country known for it's brutality. Having said that, however, I nevertheless find it difficult to see how a Democratic administration,(given our current crop of influential Dems), could actually put a dent in the destructive detrius left behind by BushCo.

        Most of our leading Dems have been serial enablers of BushCo since 9/11. Their political cowardice and self-interest dominates the landscape of their voting record. In short, most of the prominent Dems are active participants in creating the problems, and even if one of them manages to win the White House in '08, their inability to repair GOP extremist damage will only allow the wingnut propaganda machine to shift all the blame for all the bad results of the Bush policies onto them. I'm almost, (I say almost so please don't jump me for saying it), almost inclined to think that a GOP victory in '08 might actually be more beneficial in the long term for the country, the planet, and last and perhaps least, the Democratic party. Somehow, the public needs to see that the Bush regime and the GOP juggernaut that's supported them, are the one's at whose feet the catastrophes need to be laid. The people need to see that Bush and his party own the disasters they created, rather than allowing them, in a post Bush democratic presidency, to foist off all the blame onto the Dems, accusing them of "not following through", or
        "not completing the mision" as their way of shifting blame.

        The public needs to finally perceive and repudiate the so-called conservative idea that smaller government is automatically better government. The public needs to understand that there's no point in having a government if it's not able to be helpful to it's own society across the board. The public needs to finally grasp that the "only the strong and wealthy survive" approach to government that's at the heart of the wingnut ideology as espoused by such contemptible creatures as Grover Norquist; that this approach to government is a recipe for disaster.

        (I didn't mean to start preaching. I just got carried away.)

        Defeat the sound-bite.

        by sbj on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:06:16 PM PDT

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