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  •  that is archaic! and what an asshole your ex must (none)
    have been!  what kind of person would purposefully want to inflict pain and a death sentence on another human being!  much less have a 'party' to celebrate another's suffering!  and what kind of government would put a person in control of another adult in such a manner!  i thought this was the 21st century.... but then again, with bush practically packing the court, i guess that the clock will be turned back.  it's sad.... to know there are people like that out there!  i am glad you freed yourself of that jerk!
    •  Archaic... (none)
      [snip] and what kind of government would put a person in control of another adult in such a manner!  i thought this was the 21st century... [snip]

      This is exactly why we must be ever-vigilant about choice. I use my experiences as  illustrations of what happens when women do not have control over their own bodies. It is so hard, talking about such personal things, but if it saves even one woman from going through what I went through, then it will be worth it.

      I have even told Congress-critters, but usually they say that 'reversing RvW wouldn't be that bad.' They really don't get it, and I'm talking about female C-critters too, not just the men. It's like, hey, yes it will be that bad. It is that bad when women don't have personal autonomy. Try enacting laws where men would lose their autonomy. You'd have riots in the streets, I kid you not. But since it's just women who are affected, well, no big deal. I swear, sometimes I feel like there's no hope left. But, no matter how seemingly hopeless, we must continue the fight, right?

      My cousin (she lives here too) woke me up when Rienquist's (sp?) death was announced. My first question was, 'who killed him?' Cousin said he supposedly died of cancer. OK, I buy that he had cancer. I'm not at all sure his death wasn't helped along though, especially considering the timing. It's just way too convenient, IMHO. But, if Dems got some balls and called for impeachment (God knows, they have ample enough reasons), then any nominations to SCOTUS stop until the impeachment is completely resolved. We MUST get the Dems to do this, or else all women will be treated the way I was.

      To give you another real-life eample, I was still in MI, and ended up sterilized cuz ex-husband (he wasn't 'ex' at that time) didn't want kids. I ended up being sterilized -- instead of just having the D&C and repair work for which I had actually given permission. I woke up and found out I'd been sterilized, because he changed what was authorized when he signed the permission document {OK, this was in 1980, but I don't know if the laws have changed or not -- I escaped in 1987}. Took years of painful (and often futile) surgeries to finally reverse it (last recon surgery was in 1992). Then, in 1994, when Hubby and I were finally able to get pregnant, I lost our 1st to endometriosis, and our 2nd (our twins) to u/o cancer (all in 1994). Now there will never be kids, and it is a bitter, bitter pill indeed.  

      If you talk to people about choice, please feel free to use my experiences, if they need real-life examples, to illustrate why choice (along with other at-risk civil liberties) must remain legal. If we lose it, we lose our very personhood. And since citizenship is based on personhood, we could conceivably lose that too (unless, of course, we are married to an American man, and can thereby have citizenship {of a sort} via him). I am not wearing a tin-foil hat (seriously, I don't even own any tin-foil). This is just a logical progression, once female autonomy is abolished. This is the slippery slope that gives me nightmares.  

      I know, make one comment, get a book in reply. My only defense is that I am a writer. My publisher teases me all the time about this, and then tells me about all of her other writers who do the same thing to her, LOL... I guess you could say it's an occupational hazard, LOL.

      And before you ask, no, I haven't written about my experiences. No one would believe they could actually happen -- in fiction, much less in reality. But I am not alone. This same thing, and even worse, happens to women every day, in America. Everyone decries the atrocities in Africa (as they must, because what happens is totally inhumane), but no one seems to think the atrocities American women endure are anything worth mentioning. It boggles my mind.

      But this is exactly what the cabal in power wants to do. They actually want to disenfranchise the majority of Americans (women make up 54% of America, according to the last census). This is insane! It must be stopped. Question is, how? If Bush gets his way, Roberts and another (probably even worse) wingnut will be on the Supremes. And then it will definitely be curtains for female autonomy, as we know it (which leads me to wonder what will happen to Bader-Ginsberg, if Bush gets everything he wants -- will she, no longer autonomous, lose her seat on the Supremes?). So how do we wake up the people -- before it is too late? I wish a Congress-critter would ask me to testify. I swear, I could make their hair curl. But, none have ever asked, dammit...

      I Support the Separation of Church and Hate...
      Rev Denise Michel
      revdenisemichel@yahoo.com

      by rev denise michel on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 05:17:25 PM PDT

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      •  people just don't want to believe such things are (none)
        possible in this country.  after all, we have always been told that this is the greatest country in the world!  but women seem to be second class citizens no matter how you look at it.  but ask any woman, and I bet you would get a response that says things are a lot better for women than they once were.

        but are they, really?  we supposedly have more choices.  but when women have no choice in whether they raise their kids or work...  how is that a choice?  perhaps someone should write a book or do a study regarding the laws regarding women and reproductive rights.  hell, not just reproductive, but medical in general!  i had no idea that such a thing was possible in this country.  i just got married, and thank god i know my husband wouldn't do such a thing!  but i can bet his father would have done something like that to his wife!  he was a bastard of the worst kind, and bob's mother's death last year was a suspicious one at best.

        and as to the 'book', don't worry.  i get that way at times myself.  but yours is a story that deserves the words it takes to tell it.  and the time to read it as well.  it is an important story.  and it makes me want to go look up laws in my state and others and see just what rights I have as well as the rights of my siblings.  

        •  Women's rights.. (none)
          [snip] and as to the 'book', don't worry.  i get that way at times myself.  but yours is a story that deserves the words it takes to tell it.  and the time to read it as well.  it is an important story.  and it makes me want to go look up laws in my state and others and see just what rights I have as well as the rights of my siblings.  [snip]

          Thanks EJ. When I was in college, all of my projects were about adoption law reform (I am adopted, so it is a subject of great importance to me). My mentor could never figure out why I didn't do my projects about women's rights (considering my history). I ended up having to tell him the truth... that I was still having flashbacks (I have PTSD, & I know that most, if not all, of Katrina's victims will have it, in some form, for the rest of their lives), so trying to work on women's rights would end up forcing me to quit school (if you can't do the work, they usually make you go). He understood, but told me that, eventually, I'd have to do that work. I guess that time is now, eh?

          I have a proposal for you... If we split up the country, look at all state laws concerning women, their rights (before & after marriage), esp medical, we can get specifics about each state. I would be willing to write a thesis-length paper on what we find. Then, you could read it, make comments (what needs added or deleted, etc), and we could then send it to our Congress-critters, and maybe a publisher or two. Maybe if we took this on, we could make people wake up and ensure that the rights of all Americans are enforced and guaranteed. What say you?

          I am especially concerned about your MIL's death. Why do you think it is suspicious? If it is what I think it is, we could possibly use it as an example (but we'd have to change the names, so you won't run afoul of libel/slander laws), along with my examples, and any others that we find. See, the more real storeis we have (real women who've experienced these things), the more powerful it will be.

          I know this is an ambitious proposal, but think about it. What if we were the ones who finally woke up our C-critters, and thereby ensured continued women's rights? Wouldn't that be a real coup? I, for one, think it'd be worth it. It's not like we have to get it done this week, but if we have it in progress, then we can also start hounding C-critters, and maybe testify, when they are deciding whether or not American women will remain full citizens. Let me know what you think, OK? BTW, my cousin (female), also lives here and is also a writer (her books are also available at Writer's Exchange E-Publishing), and I am pretty sure she'd help us.

          Email me if you'd like. My eddress is in my tag line.. <P</p>

          Thanks!  ;~}  

          I Support the Separation of Church and Hate...
          Rev Denise Michel
          revdenisemichel@yahoo.com

          by rev denise michel on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:02:34 AM PDT

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