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  •  Yeah, sure, and the Irish were discriminated (none)
    against in New York at the turn of the century.

    You're really stretching your comparisons. Why not point to rivalries between white immigrant groups? Or riots between fans of opposing football teams?

    Because they're irrelevant to this discussion, that's why.

    •  They're not irrelevant (none)
      The discussion is about whether the police closed the bridge out of malice, spite or fear -- all 3 driven by racism -- or out of reasonable concerns about crowd control, looting and violence. I'd like to know a lot more about what efforts were being made to evacuate people, who was giving the police their orders, etc. What they did sounds, on the face of it, like it was very bad. But there are a lot of unknowns.

      To assume that a crowd of 20,000-45,000 desperate white people would've been welcomed into a city of 17,000 is a stretch. Maybe they would've. Maybe they wouldn't have.

      •  The fact that the police were verbally abusive (4.00)
        rather than trying to reassure the crowd certainly indicates that there were a lot of racist creeps in their midst. I still want to know what efforts, if any, they were making to attempt to get any help from higher authorities to evacuate those people. If the answer is "none," they should be locked up for life. The fact that they were yelling at people instead of providing information would seem to indicate that they didn't think they had any responsibility to members of the public who weren't residents of their town, and it sounds as if they were in fact racist. (Were all the cops white, by the way? I noticed that Gretna's population is described as 1/3 black, on one website. What about their police force?)
      •  In reality, the only circumstances under which (4.00)
        armed police would react to "reasonable concerns about crowd control, looting, and violence" is when the crowd is Black. That's reality in America.

        Also, a Black crowd is the only circumstance where you'd have well-meaning people arguing about whether the police had "reasonable concerns about crowd control, looting, and violence." Otherwise, I believe, people would be unanimous in their condemnation of what the police did.

        The term "looting" would not even be applied if the crowd were white, as we saw so clearly in the television news coverage of the disaster.

        That is also, sadly, reality in America--including here in dKosLand.

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