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  •  Another thing about spending (4.00)
    The spending only stands out due to the drop in tax revenue due to the tax cuts for wealthy people.

    Although going after military spending head-on would be gutsy. Not totally smart, but gutsy.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 08:52:18 PM PDT

    •  Military spending (3.71)
      We spend more on our military than the next several nations behind us combined.

      It's absurd, and all that money doesn't do anything but buy us overpriced hammers and wrenches, missile defense systems that don't even work, and a whole lotta trouble.

      The military's manufacturing operations ought to be nationalized, military contracting companies broken up and their assets used to liquidate public debt, and the actual amount of money spent on the military reduced to some reasonable proportion of the next nation behind us.

      What have we gotten out of 60 years of the military-industrial complex that's really benefited us?  The Korean War (which still isn't over), followed by a series of ill-advised adventures which have done little other than fund war profiteers and cause unending heartache for the rest of us.  As for the war profiteers (lockheed, halliburton, kbr)  -- fuck them.  Parasites!

      I don't think anybody anticipated what a colossal fuckup Bush would be as President of the United States.

      by slippytoad on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 09:02:22 PM PDT

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      •  The MIC (none)
        The problem here is that the military industrial complex is so interwoven into our governing body, who, if anything, doesn't seem too concerned. In fact, they welcome it -- more money for them and their friends. The MIC is just another way for the crooks in our government to systematically funnel our tax dollars to war contractors and the politicians who run them, work for them, take money from them, etc. And if you have all these planes and tanks and ammunition just laying around, you better put them to use, lest the MIC become obsolete.

        "Defense Contractor" is such a ridiculous term. When was the last time they manufactured something that was truly used in defense of our nation against a threat? WW2? Were "defense contractors" even around en force then?

        •  Exactly why. (none)
          "And if you have all these planes and tanks and ammunition just laying around, you better put them to use, lest the MIC become obsolete."

          The founding fathers recognized how dangerous a standing army could be, although for a different reason (a bunch of armed-to-the-teeth guys standing around with no war to fight), long before the country was warned by Pres. Eisenhower about the inherent danger of an MIC.  Hence the first part of the 2nd Amendment that the NRA ignores, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...."

          Notice how the framers of the Constitution did not say, "A standing army, being necessary to the security of a free state...."  because they knew that a standing army was actually a danger to a free state.  The U.S. in the 20th century certainly proved that.

    •  Willie Sutton (none)
      When bankrobber Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks, he ansered simply, "Because that's where the money is."

      Where do we cut discretionary spending?  From the military.  It's where the money is.  And at this point, the Pentagon is a combination of racketeering outfit for capitol, p.r. platform for W, and bottomless corporate pork fund.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Fri Sep 16, 2005 at 09:14:45 PM PDT

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