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  •  Yes, and that's why (3.80)
    someone like Kerry of all people should have got this one right.  The fact that he didn't suggests to me that at a deep level, he didn't get Vietnam right either, and doesn't loathe people like McNamara and easily tolerates their current incarnations.
    •  YES! (none)
      Yes, Marie, that is EXACTLY what I want to know.

      Kerry came around, through personal experience,  to see that the Viet Nam war was wrong.  the Korean war was awful.   Shouldn't having lived through those mistakes, and the lies that went into exacerbating them, give him a window into the idea that maybe rushing into war isn't a good thing?

      what were any of them thinking?    Who, having protested Viet Nam, would rubberstamp Iraq?

      I just don't see a way to excuse him for this, although I don't believe in bashing any of the Dems, because we need them all so badly.  I would just like to see them stand up, admit that they made a terrible mistake, and explain to us the thinking behind it.  and then apologize to the American and especially to the Iraqi people.

      •  Agree - (none)
        I remained open to Kerry as Rep Waxman was admitting his error and asking for answers shortly after the invasion got to Baghdad.  The "Waxman Position" basically claimed that the POTUS is not expected to lie about matters in International Affairs, and must be given the benefit of the doubt in such circumstances.  Not a bad position if one overlooks the fact that GWB has been a lying weasel his whole life and it would not be a good bet.  However, even I was willing to remain open to someone who put "respect for the office of the Presidency" above doubts and concerns provided they voiced those doubts clearly and unambiguously at the time of the Iraq vote, reiterated them before the invasion and requesting the administration be very careful that their data was solid, and then at the first indication that the data was bogus, call the adminstration on this as Waxman did.  Hell, Kerry didn't need to do anything other than piggyback what Waxman called for.  Instead he remains proud of his vote and convinced that Saddam was a threat.  

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