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  •  Fair is Fair. (4.00)
    If we accept that anti-choicers are welcome in the Democratic party, then we can't get our panties in a twist when NARAL endorses Lincoln Chaffee.

    I'm just sayin' is all.

    "There can be no real individual freedom in the presence of economic insecurity." Chester Bowles

    by coigue on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 03:43:43 PM PDT

    •  Wrong. (4.00)
      A pro-life Democrat, as part of a Democratic majority, will not place Trent Lott or Bill Frist in leadership positions. A pro-life Democrat will do no harm.

      I can agree to disagree with a member of my party who holds different views - even, as a gay man, on social issues. Chafee may get better numbers on NARAL's or HRC's score card, but he only enables and emboldens BushCo and the BushCo agenda. That makes him far more dangerous than a Democrat who doesn't think I should have the right to marry.

      So you are wrong. Dead wrong.

      Long livethe American Empire!

      by Matt the Car Salesman on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 04:12:30 PM PDT

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      •  now.. (4.00)
        all you need to do is figure out a good way of telling people that they should vote for a party instead of a candidate; then while you're at it, introduce the parlimentary system of england.  

        You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make 'em think.

        by bill in wa on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 04:18:05 PM PDT

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      •  Amen Matt! (none)
        Excellent points!
        I agree.

        I am not happy about these Anti choice Democrats but they sure beat those who endorse Bush's bullshit and rally around Frist.

        Tom Coburn: There is No crying in Baseball or SCOTUS Hearings. Your brain has been recalled.

        by wishingwell on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 04:52:50 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe not in Congress (none)
        A pro-life Democrat, as part of a Democratic majority, will not place Trent Lott or Bill Frist in leadership positions. A pro-life Democrat will do no harm.

        Maybe not in Congress, but at the state level, a pro-life Democrat can do a lot of harm, if Republicans+pro-life Democrats in a state legislature equals a majority.  That's why the answers to these big-tent questions are never as simple as they're made out to be.

        •  then what? (none)
          is the difference between a Republican and a pro-life Democrat in Virginia?

          I'm not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious.

          Long livethe American Empire!

          by Matt the Car Salesman on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 05:14:40 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, they're still not nearly as bad (none)
            A lot of the Republicans (including the current candidates for Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General) are anti-tax fanatics, who believe that we can cut taxes and pay for it only with "economic growth" and unspecified waste (despite having been whacked over the head with contrary reality as recently as last year.)  They have a strong anti-immigrant contingent, seeking to deny undocumented workers (which include asylum seekers and such, not just illegal immigrants) driver's licenses, schooling, and other services.  They're on the anti-gay marriage bandwagon, too, for obvious political reasons, since it's already illegal.  They have a smattering of creationists, too.  My impression is that there may be conservative Democrats on some of these issues as well, but it's not widespread -- but I can't say I've looked up the votes in detail.
      •  It is not a winning (4.00)
        strategy for any group to stick 100% with one party or the other, since they can be taken for granted if they do so (many examples of this happening: environmentalist groups, minority groups, gay groups too).

        But I do see your point. But there is some grey to the issue. The other side of it is that it is good to have some Republicans on your side:

        Did you happen to see Arlen Spector hold up a huge cardboard list of the 30-something examples of cases upholding Roe v Wade? That was a powerful message that he gave during the Roberts hearing. He was really good, and I am glad the he was the chair of the judicial committee rather than Orinn Hatch.  

        "There can be no real individual freedom in the presence of economic insecurity." Chester Bowles

        by coigue on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 05:46:20 PM PDT

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      •  But... (none)
        So, how big is this tent going to be?  Sure, I understand that not every Democrat is going to agree on every issue.  At the same time, look at GOP voting records versus Dem voting records.  They have party unity - we don't.  

        Chasing the middle?  Does Not Work.  Standing by your principles and defending them does.  

      •  bullshit (4.00)
        The idea that an anti-choice democrat will do no harm is bullshit.  It's a meaningless meme that someone came up with and a whole lot of people thought sounded smart..but it's not.

        Get enouhg anti-choice democrats in office and they will vote with republicans for anti-choice legislation and become the margin that takes women back to the days of back ally abortions.

        Liberal, Christian, Feminazi, Mom.

        by TeresaInPa on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 03:51:35 AM PDT

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    •  I will agree with that (none)

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