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  •  Yes, it is the same thing. (4.00)
    If a person says it is murder, then the one having it committed murder.  It is a serious accusation.  It should not be made lightly.

    Our party has some very big decisions to make.  Decisions have great consequences.

    "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

    by floridagal on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 04:42:37 PM PDT

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    •  It is not made lightly, (none)
      but neither is blame being placed.  As I said before.  We do not generally condemn soldiers as murderers, even though we all agree that war is tragic and should be stopped, and that murdering is, in fact, what soldiers do there.

      Why are you so suddenly seeing the world in only black and white on this particular issue?

      •  This is a complex issue. (none)
        It is about men in mostly religious based groups getting together and deciding about the role of women in society.  

        It is not a black and white issue, and anyone who sees it that way is either in denial or being simplistic in their thinking.

        "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

        by floridagal on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 10:12:18 PM PDT

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        •  I agree, but I've seen many of these groups, (none)
          and women are in leadership roles there as often, if not more so, then men.  And no one ever talks about "women's role" in society.  What they do say, and that might be setting you on edge, is that women, and men, should not have to feel pressured by society to be career-oriented any more than they should be pressured to be homemakers.  I don't find anything objectionable about that, particularly when it is women saying it.  Do you?

          Yes, there are a few creeps that show up sometimes in such groups, as in any group, but despite the press they get such people are not the norm among pro-lifers, particularly among those prone to vote Democrat.  

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