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  •  And That's Why (none)
    Men never put down the toilet seat.

    "Everything that rises must converge"

    by jpgod on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 07:44:47 AM PDT

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    •  That's also why (none)
      the woman always knows where you left your keys.

      They might not have seen the keys, but they can figure out where they are because they know where they're not.

      Men are hunters, women are gatherers.

      •  And people who over-generalize (none)
        are always wrong.  (Get it?  That's a joke.  It points out the absurdity of your claims.  See?  It's funny.)

        Now let me go make a bajillion dollars as a stand-up comic saying dumb-ass things like "women are always . . . and men are always . . . "

        "In the beginning the universe was created. This has been widely criticized and generally regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams

        by LithiumCola on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:02:24 AM PDT

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        •  When the conversation (none)
          is specifically an attempt to generalize, then overgeneralizing isn't exactly a bad thing.

          OF COURSE there will be exceptions.  That's why they are generalizations.  But the generalizations are overwhelmingly true. So for every 1 case that doesn't fit the generalization, another 30 do.

          You will find women who become passionate about something.  But very rarely will they neglect their health and family in pursuit of that goal.  Has it ever happened? Probably. Do I care? Not really, since I'm just generalizing.

          •  Huh? (none)

            But the generalizations are overwhelmingly true. So for every 1 case that doesn't fit the generalization, another 30 do.

            Does that apply to all generalizations, whenever and wherever they are made?  Or just the ones you accept, right here, right now?

            "In the beginning the universe was created. This has been widely criticized and generally regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams

            by LithiumCola on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:20:51 AM PDT

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          •  there are PLENTY of women who (4.00)
            are passionate and singleminded about a subject, a discipline, or a career outside the home, and who will devote the greater portion of their lives to it.  They may even neglect their health and family responsibilities for this passion.  Just like men.

            However, women who do this tend to be viewed as lousy mothers, selfish egomaniacs, and/or castrating bitches, while men who do this are viewed as leaders, visionaries and accomplished movers-and-shakers.

            So it's not surprising that a lot of capable women choose to take the more traditional path and find their rewards in being wives and mothers.

            New Orleans will never die

            by hrh on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:33:20 AM PDT

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            •  And once again (none)
              the biggest damn problem with discussing gender issues on dKos rears its ugly head again:

              the inability of people to think sociologically when discussing issues of social systems/structure (like gender, race and class).  Just because you can find one, a handful or even a sizable/measureable number of counter examples does not render the original sociological statement (what people in colloquial terms like to call "over generalizing") invalid.

              Armando:  here's why these discussions will never get anywhere.

              In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

              by a gilas girl on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:49:29 AM PDT

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              •  "sociological" is one thing (none)
                "Biological" is another.  I refuse to let anyone pigeonhole me into any slot because of my biological femaleness.  Which isn't concrete and immutable, either, in spite of its biological nature.  

                Any statement about "Men are like this, women are like that" is a lazy generalization and intellectually bankrupt.

                New Orleans will never die

                by hrh on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 10:56:48 AM PDT

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                •  I too, am against lazy generalizations (none)
                  which is why I despise that kind of "some women, some men" format for argumentation, it is simply lazy generalizations in the reverse direction.

                  I agree with you that the original poster to whom you were responding was making lazy generalizations, but I don't like the common format disputations against so-called "lazy generalizations" because they tend to be equally lazy, I find.

                  In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

                  by a gilas girl on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 02:04:03 PM PDT

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                  •  you're wrong (none)
                    You miss the not-so-subtle difference between "women/men" and "some women/some men."  The former is a lazy generalization.  The latter is an illustration of how such generalizations miss the bigger, complex picture.  Who can deny that some women and some men don't fit the profile?  Only those who are invested in the profile.

                    The most important variations are between individuals, not genders.  Fun and diverting though it may be to discuss vast sociological constructs, anything that discounts individual experience and individual character is worthless.

                    And you haven't addressed my comments about being slotted into a particular pigeonhole due to my biological gender.  Such pigeonholing doesn't fit with the way I am and the way I live my life.  So it's neither accurate nor useful.

                    New Orleans will never die

                    by hrh on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 02:45:24 PM PDT

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        •  Also in the beginning (none)
          God created man and woman.  But Samuel Colt made them equal.
      •  Men don't even LOOK (none)
        It's like the male eyeball can't look at more than one thing at a time.  My husband and son are helpless finding things RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM because they are tunnel-visioned or easily confused or just don't care... pick one.

        "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

        by marjo on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:26:54 AM PDT

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