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  •  Whatever it is, (4.00)
    it's so pronounced and so new and so consistent that is indicative of a medical condition the PRESS CORPS should ask about.
    •  I've been asking doctors about it (4.00)
      Intrigued by Bush jaw-thrusting behaviors, I've been asking questions of doctors I know. Now take all of this with a grain of salt, since I'm not an MD myself...  

      First of all, what to call it? Bush's jaw-thrusting behavior might be termed an "extraparamital involuntary movement symptom."  Extraparamital movement disorders are usually a combination of movement problems, but you can have single presentations, of which jaw-thrusting is a very common one.  

      One doctor I know told me he saw 40 examples of these movements in one five-minute speech by Bush (I think it was the speech announcing Roberts for the Supreme Court, but I never saw that one myself and can't confirm). Bush's jaw-thrusting is outward and to one side, and sometimes it completely sends his jaw out, usually at the end of a sentence.  The jaw movements are CNS (Central Nervous System) mediated, and probably dopominergically related (i.e., related to dopamine levels). The movements are seen in individuals using or abusing drugs affecting the dopominergic system (neuroleptics, anti-psychotics, etc; neuroleptics are a kind of anti-psychotic).  

      Yes, it could be speed, as suggested in another thread. Indeed, the most dramatic and familiar presentation of these symptoms is when people are on Ecstasy (usually in the early crashing phase). But it could also be, and in one doctor's opinion is more likely to be, an indication Bush is using a prescription drug prescribed for individuals with primary mood regularity problems, a drug which Bush would be taking in addition to an antidepressant. Also, there are some newer drugs for substance abusers which often affect the dopaminergic system as well. (Bush's former abuse of drugs and alcohol almost certainly has not helped his current condition, though it can't necessarily be construed to have caused or to currently be causing it.)

      In short, no one knows what Bush is on, but he's on something, and something has changed in recent months. The docs may be tweaking his meds, trying to find the most effective cocktail. "I can't believe people aren't talking about it in the news," one doctor told me. (This guy is a well-regarded physician of referral with many years' experience in this area, so I trust him.)

      Anyway, for what it's worth...

      "[I]n all due respect to your profession [journalism], you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." -- Bush on Oct 7, 2003

      by QuickSilver on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 01:30:39 PM PDT

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      •  Caffiene (none)
        causes it as well.
      •  Extrapyramidal (sp) (4.00)

        Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

        by barbwires on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 01:42:32 PM PDT

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      •  Can't be speed-- (none)
        not with that early bedtime and all those naps...

        Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber--Plato

        by techiechick on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 01:42:41 PM PDT

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      •  spellcheck (none)
        I believe that's "extrapyramidal", not "extraparamital".
        •  You're right! (none)
          As I said, I'm not a doctor.  You're right: it should be "extrapyramidal", not "extraparamital."

          Otherwise, is anything else wrong with that assessment?  I really would like to know what's up with Bush these days, the jaw-thrusting is fascinating...

          "[I]n all due respect to your profession [journalism], you do a very good job of protecting the leakers." -- Bush on Oct 7, 2003

          by QuickSilver on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 01:47:50 PM PDT

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      •  Was Hitler's Parkinson's Disease (none)
        in the last couple of years of his life pharmacologically induced (presumably by Dr. Morell's injections)?
        •  Stop with the Hitler refrences (4.00)
          As Bill Maher points out, Hitler was a decorated front line combat veteran who actually got more votes than his challenger in his first presidential election.

          This comment posted by some anonymous staff person employed by bobinson

          by bobinson on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 02:37:11 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe... (4.00)
          Hitler was taking coke and speed from about autumn 41 on, which corresponds to his increasingly erratic behavior and his micromanaging of the disastrous campaign in Russia. Some historians think Hitler's use of speed did as much to help the Allied cause as anything.
          Well, not really, but it certainly did affect his decision-making for the worse (for the 3rd Reich)...

          BTW, Bush and Hitler are not at all comparable. Hitler was a megalomaniacal control freak who often made very bold and decisive decisions which brought Germany to great victories, and eventual defeat. Not quite an evil genius, but almost.
          Bush is a spoiled, drunken, stupid, incompetent frat-boy puppet installed by the right-wing.
          However, the pre-war Nazi Party and the current incarnation of the GOP share many, many similarities. The use of hateful negative propaganda and "traditional family/religious values", the refusal to cooperate with "moderates", gerrymandering, corruption, cronyism, and beauracratic incompetence coupled with near-absolute power are all virtually identical.
          The neo-con vision of the world is strikingly similar to the Nazis: The all-powerful nation-state using unprovoked military force and torture to do "good" across the globe (with the Nazis it was fighting that great enemy of civilized Europe: 'Jewish Bolshevism'), snubbing the world crisis management apparatus (the League Of Nations),  etc, etc.

          Sorry if some of you think the Nazi comments are tiresome, but when the history of the 3rd Reich is studied these days (something I do as a sort of hobby) the parallels are frightening. Really.

          •  I think Nazi comparisons are awesome! (4.00)
            I do it all the time! If the Repugs don't like being compared to Nazis, they should stop acting like Nazis!

            Simple as that!

            America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...

            by Tony Seybert on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 04:09:25 PM PDT

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            •  GOP=Nazi (4.00)
              The rise of the Nazis during the 20's and the rise of the Neo-cons and Repub Rightwing during the 70s-80s have a number of very eerie similarities. They both used the same general techniques to gain power legally, and convinced a slight majority of their counyrymen to support them.

              The Nazis eventually went too far militarily because of their geographic location in the center of Europe. This cost them "victory" in the end, but if they had been a bit more prudent, they could still be in power there today.
              The GOP in the early 21st century USA doesn't need to invade neighbours because the US is largely isolated. Because the GOP-controlled US hasn't invaded every country next to it, the Nazi comparison seems far-fetched to most people. They assosiate the Nazis with conquering Europe and WWII only, and not their 15-year, pre-war domestic political rise.

              But the unprovoked invasion of Iraq is in some ways similar to the reasons the Nazis used to occupy/invade Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland. The Nazis claimed they were pre-empting an eventual threat to Germany, while at the same time (half-secretly) securing vital economic resources (mainly coal) which they called "lebensraum". The Neo-cons call it "democratization". The end result is the same: Military force used to achieve economic objectives.

              •  BTW (none)
                People who complain about comparing the GOP to the Nazis are in danger of repeating the mistakes of history.
                They say; "Nobody could ever be as bad as the Nazis, so don't employ hyperbole and exaggeration or you will sound silly!"
                That line of reasoning could dismiss otherwise obvious comparisons.
                •  I like the way the conservatives (none)
                  blame the loss of Vietnam on the protesters the same way the Nazis blamed the loss of World War I on the Jews and other November criminals.

                  (Both accusations fail to take the FACTS into account.)

                  Find scapegoats, intimidate dissenters, exploit all hyper-active patriotic sentiments.

                  It's so easy to see current Repug talking points in a 1940s German version of Fox News:

                  "The Russians desperate defense of Stalingrad proves we're winning!"

                  "Why are you liberals so upset about the camps? They're only Jews and they are enemies of the state. And they aren't treated that bad. They get two kinds of fruit and Noodles Jefferson!"

                  "It doesn't matter what Hitler does, The Angry Left will never give him a break!"

                  America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...

                  by Tony Seybert on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 08:04:18 PM PDT

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      •  We need a blood sample (none)
        The next time he goes bike riding, someone needs to come by later and collect enough fluid to run tests.

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