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  •  Linear extrapolation... (4.00)
    ...won't be accurate because by the time you get to those kinds of wind speeds the whole mega-climate of the Atlantic will be different. If the seas get that warm the North Atlantic conveyor will stop. And by then when we'll be well on our way to something very different from what we have now.

    This is a basic thing that people really need to get. Weather isn't a linear system. So global warming isn't about bad weather, and more of it. The stakes are much higher - more like a complete shift in climate towards conditions that are unlike any we've known in recorded history.

    At that point hurricanes are going to be the least of the problems we'll all be dealing with.

    •  just alittle... (4.00)
      ...additional information for ya.
      more spooky shit

      "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - Gandhi

      by errorcode on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 05:07:19 PM PDT

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      •  Summary of the article (4.00)
        Peter Wadhams, professor of ocean physics at Cambridge University, reports that sinking of cold water in the north Atlantic has dramatically slowed. This is part of the mechanism that drives the Gulf Stream, which warms Europe and has huge effects on global climate as a whole.
        Some have argued that this flow constitutes a sort of "switch" in the climate system. Turn it off, get a different climate pattern.

        Not good.

        It's a blame game? -- "No, accountability is not a game".

        by technopolitical on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 05:18:24 PM PDT

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    •  Quite right (none)
      In my opinion, this is just the beginning. There are too many of us on this planet, using too much energy, most of that profligate expenditure held in too few jealous, suspicious hands that refuse to let go of it.

      And that childish possessiveness is killing our children. All. Of. Them.

      In a separate, multi-thread analysis, I forecast average surface temperatures. We could be looking at 25 degree C increases in temperature over the next 150 years, and it might not stop there at all.

      And we'd better hope that's all, else were are out of the picture, suddenly and certainly. Save for our blind, hairless, mole-like ancestors and whatever blind, hairless mole-like animals and fungi Troglodyte sapiens feeds upon.

      That is, if the CO2 partial pressure in the atmosphere doesn't smother us even in our subterranean lairs.

      That is, if the oceans do not boil.

      That is, if the atmosphere doesn't top 400 bars.

      That is, if the surface temperature doesn't top 500 Celsius.

      That is, that is, that is.

      It's only Nero-esque if the city is burning. :)

      by cskendrick on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 06:05:48 PM PDT

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      •  I'm really worried about this (none)
        But not THAT worried, it's like saying New York City can be buried in 150 feet of glacial ice in a week, it just doesn't happen. We are not going to cause planet Earth to turn into Venus, there is nothing like this that has happened for billions of years, when our planet was not at all like this.

        Homo Sapiens will continue to be able to breathe and walk on the surface of this planet, our carbon levels are not that remarkable compared to recent geological history. Mathematically speaking almost anything is "possible" but this NOT likely. Even with all our Nuclear weapons we could not cause the oceans to boil, runaway global warming on Planet Earth just isn't realistic.

        •  Playing deep within bounds (none)
          The best-case scenario is an episode of volatile, unpredictable climate that settles down into a pattern that is different from, but not alien to, current conditions.

          But that "best case" has obliterated countless cultures, even full-fledged civilizations, in the past.

          The Atlantic doesn't need to go postal in order to hamstring the United States as a world power; all it needs to do is cough up an extra Cat 4 or 5 each year, and our ticket is punched.

          It's only Nero-esque if the city is burning. :)

          by cskendrick on Wed Sep 21, 2005 at 07:49:31 PM PDT

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