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  •  Well, put it in context.... (none)
    Can we really end this war without support and votes from those where are merely "uncomfortable with" the war?

    I'd be willing to bet that those who are truly "spitting mad" about the war are in a minority. The polls suggest that there are probably a much bigger number who are merely "uncomfortable" with it.  

    I know some politically involved people who - like many at DKos - are "spitting mad."  I know a whole lot more people who are only marginally informed, and who do think the war is a bad idea, but who are busy worrying about work and bills and kids and fashion and football and wedding plans and god knows what else, and when they happen to see something on the TV about the war, feel "uncomfortable" about it, then go right back to their lives.

    I'm not for a moment saying that this is a good thing. I'm merely pointing out that it's probably the reality. Most people who are not directly affected by something - or who are not in the minority that pays hyper-attention to politics and wars happening thousands of miles away - simply don't get "spitting mad" about these things. They just don't.

    Do you really think that the "spitting mad" minority can end this war?  Or do we maybe NEED to worry about those who are just "uncomfortable"? If so, then what is the best way to get their support?  

    I don't know the answers to these questions.  All I'm saying is - I wouldn't jump down someone's throat for worrying about people who are merely "uncomfortable." While I'd be happy to be wrong, I think the reality is that we will HAVE to worry about them, like it or not.

    It may be profitable for you to reflect, in future, that there never were greed and cunning in the world yet that did not do too much, and overreach themselves.

    by ChaosMouse on Mon Sep 26, 2005 at 08:13:22 PM PDT

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    •  I think that on (4.00)
      a practical level - the war will come around to bite us in several ways - financially and morally.  That is the way the world works.  And Ithink that if america continues to turn a blind eye to our involvement in Iraq, it's just another step downward for this country.  Your post is reasoned - that may be your role in the universe.  My role, and those like me, is different than yours. I am so morally stunned by what this country has become, is becoming, that I hardly recognize it anymore.  The corruption now coming to light in this admistration is yet another foul odor seeping out of the doors of this White House.  The odor will come to every citizen's front door very soon in myriad ways.  Watch for continuing spiraling property taxes for instance -- watch for more and more families having diminished health insurance, or no health insurance. Watch for colder houses this winter. Watch for fewer of our young people getting funding to go to the university.  Watch for loss of what good work we may have in this country due to poor education and poor health insurance.  If a citizen does not watch out for his/her family in a larger political sense, all those worries that you listed (bills, work) will only be worsened tenfold.  

      When Americans don't pay attention to the policies of their country, that inattention will haunt them, their children and their children's children.  And it makes me uncomfortable big time that a democracy may fall due to citizens' carlessness.  

      The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

      by xanthe on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 01:51:32 AM PDT

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      •  P.S. (none)
        I'm up at this hour because I'm worried about my property taxes, having recently left the city for a suburb.  I moved due to gentrification - in other words, get out and give me your property.  I didn't want to leave.  Did I get a good price - yes, but that will be eaten away by a situation where I pay higher property taxes and had to take out a mortgage.  We all of us have our private dramas but this war is one we will all pay dearly for -- one way or another.  

        The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

        by xanthe on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 02:50:14 AM PDT

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      •  You're not wrong, BUT (none)
        "When Americans don't pay attention to the policies of their country, that inattention will haunt them, their children and their children's children."

        Absolutely.

        And I don't doubt that much of what you suggest we "watch" for will come to pass.

        I just wonder how many people will ever connect the dots and realize WHY life got so bad?  Why they can't pay their bills, or buy a home, or get a decent job with regular hours and good pay and benefits, or put their kids through college, etc.  Things are getting bad already, and while a lot of people seem to be able to figure out that "Bush is bad" (his poll numbers suck), there doesn't seem to be as much resulting anger and increase in political involvment in the "mainstream" as one would hope for.

        On good days I wonder what, if anything, is the best way to help more people connect the dots and want to do something...on bad days, I feel pretty despairing myself.

        It may be profitable for you to reflect, in future, that there never were greed and cunning in the world yet that did not do too much, and overreach themselves.

        by ChaosMouse on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 06:08:00 PM PDT

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