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  •  I dunno... (none)
    I'd like this to be true, but I live in a blue state, and plenty of former Democrats I know were voting for Bush.  He lost the state anyway, but I was SHOCKED by the number of people I used to respect who either voted for him, or were considering it.

    He may not have won Ohio, but I think Bush definitely won the popular vote in 2004.

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    by BrentHartinger on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 01:45:37 PM PDT

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    •  They only voted for (none)
      him because he did manage to scare the bejebus out of him...he never had that "mandate" that he claimed.  He doesn't have their support on things like Social Security, abortion rights, healthcare, etc.  He's quickly loosing these people due to the ongoing mess in Iraq.
      •  Too true (none)
        Conservatives have proved far better at sloganeering than at effecting solutions.  So when people start to realize that all the promises were empty, the support dies away.  What is interesting is that is finally happening among his base.

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        by up2date on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 01:50:38 PM PDT

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      •  Oh God yes... (none)
        These people had NO idea what he really stood for.  They watch FOX News, and believed the Swift Boat thing.  "Well, they can't ALL be lying, can they?"

        It was such a fricking deceptive campaign.  And I blame the MSM for letting the Repubs get away with it.

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        by BrentHartinger on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 01:53:38 PM PDT

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        •  Hey (none)
          how about all the historical precedents that were broken. HOw about a huge number of conseratvie newspapers endorsing Kerry and some not even endorsing Bush

          You can win in the popular vote by inflating your votes (through e-voting) in heavily Republican districts.  

          People, look at the analyis of these elections.  The Republicans for Kerry were so much more prominent and bigger than democrats for bush.

          A lot of moderate republicans (the teddy rooselevet kind) could not vote for this fool.

          And the lack of transparency of this election should be alarming even a blind, deaf, mute.  This election (from 2000 on) has been rigged one way or another (in 2004, it was through e-voting)

          And how convenient that Republicans attack the exit polls as being inaccurate when in fact they have been very accurate (look at the Ukrainian elections).  Now no one will trust exit polls in the next election even though they have been used for a long time to protect against voter fraud.  Preloading extra votes can be easily done with e-voting, the numbers don't add up.

          •  Good post, however, "no one will trust" (none)
             ... exit polls seem more a wish than a reality. Unfortunately.

            People dont distrust when they are ignorant of the dysfunction. And they are ignorant thanks to the gag rule in effect re the media and even to a too-large extent the lw blogs when it has come to making noise about our dysfunctional electoral process. It was minimized and tin foilized.

            No one talks about this election like there was anything hinky about it. No one rails about no paper trail, the exit polls, never mind the obviously deliberate suppression in Ohio. It is CW that Bush won and that we have legitimate elections. Even 2000, so much more blatant and officially recognized as a NO-win for Bush, is treated like a win. He was elected. (Except for blips of recognition he wasnt, once in a while, largely spread around amongst ourselves, as with Carter's statement)

            Twice elected, Bush. I mean, that's how it's said, that becomes how it is embedded in people's minds.

            Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

            by NYCee on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 03:36:39 PM PDT

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