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  •  Voted for the Ramones (none)
    But, the Pistols gave punk the theatre and snottiness it needed to blow up in one big fireball.

    Like Neil Young says in his Johnny Rotten tribute, "It's better to burn out, then it is to rust."

    I've heard in interviews that the Pistols were afraid of the Ramones when they came to England in their motorcycle jackets and torn jeans, snarling.  They were scared they were gonna get clubbed!  

    If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up... - Hannah and Her Sisters

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 09:22:48 AM PDT

    •  Ramones played Elvis to Pistols' Beatles... (none)
           By the way, I wonder if your story is apocryphal. Sid Vicious beat a rock writer with a chain once, clubbed some audience member in Texas with his bass, etc. Not to mention his being an actual killer.
      •  *Alleged* actual killer (none)
        There is a theory that Nancy had been killed by a burglar looking for drug money. Sid found the body later but was too drugged to remember what happened.
        Still, I can't picture him being scared of The Ramones....

        I'm not black, but there are times when I wish I could say I'm not white. --Frank Zappa

        by Bob Quixote on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 09:36:48 AM PDT

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        •  By all accounts (4.00)
          Sid had no fear. Johhny, on the other hand, lived in the real world.

          "Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them" Albert Einstein

          by Brecht on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 09:44:28 AM PDT

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          •  Steve and Paul were tough (4.00)
            Sid was more image and intimidation, it wasn't realy in him to be as mean as his image. Jonny could take a beating for a skinny dude. Glen was very nice. McClarin would run and hide, then clain otherwise.

            "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" R.Piper

            by McGirk SF on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 11:12:40 AM PDT

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      •  Oh yes, you're right, definitely (none)
        This was PRE-Sid.  This was really pre-Pistols, actually.  It was when they were just hanging out at McLaren's store.

        If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up... - Hannah and Her Sisters

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 09:37:51 AM PDT

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      •  I hadn't heard that the Pistols were afraid (4.00)
        of the Ramones, who seem to be mostly pretty nice guys. But the Pistols got beat up an awful lot in '77 and '78, once they became the poster boys of punk, and the tabloids and TV found they could move a lot of copy by manufacturing outrage.

        I did hear that the Jam beat up the Pistols once, and that the Stranglers (who, while less authentically punk in their music - witness the Doorsy keyboards, even before they discovered synths - were more dangerous thugs than most of their peers, frequently inciting riots) once beat up ALL the other groups in the 'Top of the Pops' dressing rooms.

        "Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them" Albert Einstein

        by Brecht on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 09:43:05 AM PDT

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    •  speaking of fear... (none)
      Glen Matlock was kicked out of the Pistols for admitting in public to liking the Beatles.

      Sid was actually an Abba fan. When the Pistols played Sweden Sid saw Abba in the airport. He ran up to them to get their autographs. Not surprisingly, Abba took one look at Sid and ran away.

      "Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them" Albert Einstein

      by Brecht on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 10:08:16 AM PDT

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