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  •  Amen! (none)

    Anyway, what ever happened to that little detail that Bolton lied to the Senate?
    •  well here's the thing, our donkey dems need (4.00)
      ONE STRONG RIDER  who's unafraid to take the reins.
      At the mo, there are just too, too many wanabees.  Reid, to his credit, is doing maybe just OK.

      You'd think,with all the GOP bombshells, we could gain some poll numbers, a little recognition that we re an alternative? Instead the the public's view dems are MIAs. The cats are playing with the rats.
       Can't sit on the sidelines and win in 06/08.

      •  Once the indictments are issued, they will (4.00)
        speak loudly.

        Then they can't be accused of politicizing, which is what they must be afraid of.

        Edwards and Clark will speak out.  They are our true leaders.  

        The rest are followers.

        •  The indictments will also tell us..... (none)
          ...who gave up whom.  If Colon (sic) Powell or Ari Fleischer get a pass, for example.  And, of course, the prosecution will be required to disclose whether any witness at trial received favorable treatment in exchange for their testimony.

          So anyone who hasn't squealed yet will possibly get a second chance.

          "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H. L. Mencken

          by roxtar on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 02:53:47 PM PDT

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          •  that assumes that Colin (none)
            did anything wrong. He may have been the perfect witness, but that doesn't mean he was in on the plot. I suspect he was only too happy to help. I hope, anyway.

            "I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong - seldom turns out the way it does in a song."

            by Glic on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 03:29:34 PM PDT

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        •  Sherlock, whom I love more than life itself. . . (none)
          a couple of questions:

          1. If Bush is indicted could you walk us through, real slowly what we can expect to see.

          2. If Bush and Cheney are ndicted, then what?

          3. Could you lay out for us, sweet person, what you believe the indictments will be.

          Please be conservative, what I mena is, we're all already in a state of extreme excitement, if you really think Bushie is going down, tell us, but don't give us the full monty if we're only going to be disappointed.

          Okay, Sherlock, I'm waiting and hoping.

          http://www.epluribusmedia.org/donate.htm

          by nyceve on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 04:49:51 PM PDT

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          •  Apparently (none)
            Apparently there are some pretty serious questions about what happens if the president or vp are indicted while sitting.
          •  There are a few ways it could go if (4.00)
            Bush and Cheney are named as indicted co-conspirators.

            • If Tenet and Pavitt gave a full Damage Assessment of the deaths associated with the unmasking of Brewster Jennings Associates, then the Republican Party will have to distance itself from them as being modern near-Benedict Arnolds.  They would be told by the Senators they would both be impeached and convicted, removed from office.  Cheney would resign first then a compliant VP is approved, then Bush resigns and the new President, who has no intention of running in 2008, pardons the whole lot.  The trick for the President is resigning BEFORE he is convicted by the Senate as the Pardon cannot be used "in cases of impeachement".

            • If they are named but just as part of a conspiracy to take revenge on Wilson, the Republicans and Bush and Cheney may decide to tough it out and defend themselves to the end.

            If they tough it out, the elections of 2006 would become a referendum on Bush and Cheney.  Vote the Democrats in and impeach them for a conspiracy that ended up leaking a CIA agent's name and the breaking of the law by the President himself.  If the Democrats are swept into both the House and the Senate, Bush could be impeached before 2007 is out.

            If the Republicans maintain control of the Congress, Bush could also pardon everyone and the whole issue would roll over to the 2008 elections as a referendum on the entire Republican ticket.

            Since we know the outing of Brewster Jennings must have had real repercussions in the spy world and likely many murders of CIA "assets" (informants), I believe the first scenario is actually the most likely.

            I can't see McCain, Specter, Grassley or even Trent Lott and Shelby supporting Bush if Tenet's full Damage Assessment lists dead agents and assets.

      •  Kerry prosecuted Bush #1 & Co. (none)
        as the young upstart Senator from Massachussetts who took on the Big Guys in Iran/Contra. Where is he now? He knows exactlt what's up with all of them. He must be for them, if he's not currently against them What's up with him?

        ...learn something new every day...

        by nhwriter on Sat Oct 08, 2005 at 04:07:32 PM PDT

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        •  he's running for president (none)
          He's too busy laying the groundwork for his 2008 presidential bid to get caught up in a bunch of wacky blogger conspiracy theories.

          "Mr Pres, what's your opinion on Roe vs Wade?" "I don't care how they get out of New Orleans!"

          by Leggy Starlitz on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 01:10:00 AM PDT

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      •  This does not seem to be the right time (none)
        for Dems to begin their big push.  The Repubs are dropping like flies from corruption charges.  The Abramoff thing is barely begun to break out into the open and I'm thinking that that cash cow probably corrupted everything he touched and he probably touched all of the Republicans.  To me, it seems logical that DeLay will have additional indictments from the Abramoff situation.  Then, of course, there is Frist and his obvious insider trading problems.  And it seems that I have heard in the last day or so that the guy who is DeLay's place-holder in the House also has some sort of corruption in his recent past.

        I think the thing to do is let the Republicans be revealed as the criminal enterprise that they certainly are and to not make martyrs out of any of them.  THEN, use all of the public information against them when the election comes up.  It seems like it could cause some people to defend them if Dems begin to pile on too early.  

      •  speak up? (none)
        Dems speak up
        Conyers and Waxman, to name two.

        It's more a question of public apathy and press acquiescence.  As our savings accounts empty to fill our gas tanks, we will start paying more attention.

        Belt tightening will bring traction.

        You are thinking about a Presidential hopeful as the type of person who will take the lead.  I am thinking about someone like Sam Ervin.

    •  Hard to keep track (none)
      of all the liars - so many that they get lost in the crush.
    •  I've read, Bolton is in Fitz's cross-hairs (none)
      He's on my Indictments Wishlist.

      Let's stop feeding greed. In fact, propose we make a commandment: The greedy shall not be fed.

      by idredit on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 07:52:00 PM PDT

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