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  •  I think that's part of it too. (4.00)
    The usefulness aspect.  So much of what man creates for usefulness is ugly and it doesn't need to be.  Useful objects should be beautiful and graceful.  I think the turbines are the epitome of that.  
    •  Exactly. Well said! n/t (none)

      In the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)
      Read more on the European Tribune - bringing dKos to Europe

      by Jerome a Paris on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 05:17:49 PM PDT

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      •  Public acceptance in US (none)
        In terms of how to market windfarms in the US. I would love to know if the area you visited in Portugal is dependent on tourism and, if so, have the turbines had a negative impact? Secondly, I agree with posters above who find beauty in the design but given the pervasive aesthetic here and all around love of bad taste, are they modifiable at all in appearance? They would be on every ridge here if they had a pseudo rustic appearance a la the work of the evil Thomas Kinkaide, Painter of Light.
        •  The "facts" (none)
          Here in Vermont the anti-windfarm people put opposition in terms of "knowing the facts." This is more pernicious than their other cry of "Save our ridgeline." Their "facts," of course, aren't; but the appearance that there is something being hidden by the windfarm developers has tremendous political potency among neighbors too ill-educated or lazy to sort fact from falsehood.

          Is disinformation also raised to a high art in Europe on issues like windfarming?

          •  I'm sure your ? is addressed to Jerome (none)
            but one would imagine that disinformation could only go so far in an environment where fuel costs are so much higher than here.

            I have also heard US corporate investors balk at the greater than 3 year period it reportedly takes a turbine farm to recover initial costs.

          •  oh facts like (none)
            these things fling ice chunks for a quarter mile at 200 mph..some of us that don't even live there like to hike those ridgelines and they are going to be off limits if these kind of things go up...not to mention the impact on the wildlife

            don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

            by kittania on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:05:24 PM PDT

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            •  Well, even if that's true (none)
              You can decide to live without power, or you can decide to hike on other ridges.  Your choice.  Life is about sacrifice, learn to live with it.  

              In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

              by Asak on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:14:40 PM PDT

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              •  sacrifice what? (none)
                there are a lot of other things I'd rather sacrifice and I don't see anyone asking me about my priorities here...so are you saying I sacrifice my favorite places to hike so the flatlanders can have their apre ski jacuzzis?

                don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

                by kittania on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 07:28:30 PM PDT

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            •  Holy new laws of physics, batman! (none)
              Wow ... considering that ice would slow the blades down and destroy their aerodynamics, that's an amazingly fast ice projectile you've just invented. Care to share where you got this info? Or at least, share what you've been smoking ...

              <snark>

              I am the federal government.

              by mateosf on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 09:10:52 PM PDT

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