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  •  Hyperbole like this is exactly the problem (4.00)
    that the diary addresses and it happens just as much on our side as it does on theirs as your comment shows.

    The solution - get married at 16 to someone you'll divorce by 21, live in poverty, never finish school.... or give the kid up for adoption (to who?).  How absurd.

    What is absurd about adoption?  You address it with the insinuation that the unknown factor of who (is there anyone to adopt?  if so...who are they?  do they even exist?) is an argument in absurdity.   That is an absurd statement.

    I'm male.  I don't have a right to say ANYTHING about what a woman does

    You do realize that you just stated that no woman has a right to say ANYTHING about what a man does....right?

    WE were NOT stupid and put off kids until we could afford them.

    Pretty strong insinuation there....I'm sure you get my drift.

    She was lucky enopugh to have a PRIEST who said "enough is enough".

    I'm assuming that the PRIEST was a female right?  Because...well...let us review your comment....

    I'm male.  I don't have a right to say ANYTHING about what a woman does

    Right.

    Family size has a HUGE economic impact. Kids are EXPENSIVE.  And education is EXPENSIVE.  and like it or not, education has a big influence on your future.  It's all tied together.  

    And ironically, even those that DID do the right thing - went to college, put off kids and worked real hard, often now find themselves deep in a financial hole.  It doesn't take much - loss of a job, an illness...


    You're right on all counts...and coming from someone who admittedly has had it easy economically and easy with the choice issue (wife would never have an abortion) I think you're a bit out of bounds with your hyperbole (contradictory hyperbole even) that basically says nothing while using catch phrases here and there to say..well...nothing.

    I find your comment borderline offensive in its insinuations and contradictory stereotypes and condemnation of stereotypes.

    George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

    by tlh lib on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 01:53:52 AM PDT

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    •  While not rebutting point by point..... (none)
      "What is absurd about adoption?  You address it with the insinuation that the unknown factor of who (is there anyone to adopt?  if so...who are they?  do they even exist?) is an argument in absurdity.   That is an absurd statement."

      You're losing me ....  point was that NOT teaching about and limiting birth control and making abortion impossible leaves few options... get married, and odds are have it fail, end up a single parent or put a kid up for adoption (yeah, lots of takers for cute white kids but lots of luck on any that have "issues" - and there are plenty of those.  Point was there are NOT enough people adopting - and too many kids being raised in conditions that make starting out all that much more difficult.

      And as far as being male and having a right to say anything about someone else's body - I don't have a right to what someone else does with their body - even my wife.  She is not my property. I cannot impose my thoughts or will on her nor should I.  Marriage is a cooperative venture BUT ther will be some issues where "compromise" is NOT possible.  If pregnant and a child tested for a severe problem that would make its life NOT viable in the long term, there are circumstances where I personally would prefer NOT to have that child. PERSONALLY, I would choose abortion - as many have in such circumstances.  Yet my wife would NOT agree with that pov.  I have no right to even argue the point - it is one of belief for her. I knew that when I married her. IF such a situation ever arose - and thank God it never did, I should remain quiet on the topic and support HER choice.

      All of these issues ARE individual and deal with individual rights and choices AND individual RESPONSIBILITY.  Yeah, men SHOULD step up and take responsibility but that is too rare...

      I think you missed my points.... and whether you agree with my pov or not, having come this far, gotten far past the halfway mark raising kids and done a pretty good job of it, after a solid 20 odd years in a good marriage.... well, it seems to have worked pretty well for us... is that your complaint?

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