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  •  My analysis... (4.00)
    Lots of new and important information here folks. Here's what I get out of it:

    1. Indictments are virtually certain. At a minimum, Rove and Libby will be indicted for cover-up crimes: perjury, obstruction of justice, and false statement.

    2. Indictment of other persons is possible. This article says Fitzgerald is focusing on the coverup, but we have read previously that Fitzgerald is focusing on the WHIG and Cheney's personal involvement. Both could be true. It's not the coverup OR the crime, its AND the crime.

    3. Novak's other source might not be from the White House. "Mr. Fitzgerald knows the identity of this source, a person who is not believed to work at the White House, the lawyers said." Any guesses as to who it might be? Because I can't think of anything.
    •  scooter's lackeys (none)
      John Hannah and the Wurm?
      •  Aye (none)
        Wurmser was working as an aide to Bolton at the time. Officially, he didn't become an aide to Cheney until after he participated in the leak.

        "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

        by jorndorff on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:18:00 PM PDT

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    •  Judith Miller doesn't work at the WH (none)
      Well, she's not on the payroll, anyway.  Not that I know of.

      I've been hammering on this for months over at Needlenose -- they did everything they could to launder the leak through reporters.

      Miller's source may have been Hannah, or Wurmser, or Bolton, or whoever, but I think she was the one who passed the leak to Novak.

      •  Doubtful (none)
        Novak has stated in his columns that he'd received it from a 'he'. So either he's lying or Miller's got a cock.

        "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

        by jorndorff on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:27:31 PM PDT

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        •  Or (none)
          it's someone else. Wurmser being my best guess.

          "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

          by jorndorff on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:35:06 PM PDT

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        •  Neither is out of the question (none)
          (rim shot)
          •  If the later is true (none)
            maybe that's why she didn't mind spending 85 days in prison.

            "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

            by jorndorff on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:43:12 PM PDT

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            •  More serious answer (none)
              The "he" Novak describes is a senior administration official, who (in my theory) is NOT the person who gave him the name Valerie Plame.

              See this post (excerpted up above).

              •  Plausable (none)
                But, judging solely by what Novak has said publically, he has led everyone to believe that it came from a male senior administration official. It could very well be that he learned of the name Plame or Wilson from the Who's Who or from elsewhere, or that he already had the answer to the question he posed to the senior male administration official at the onset.

                Consider this excerpt from an October 2003 Novak piece:

                During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger. When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it." The published report that somebody in the White House failed to plant this story with six reporters and finally found me as a willing pawn is simply untrue.

                At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.


                Based on the reading of this recollection, one is led to believe that the first administration official he talked with told him everything, minus Plame's covert status. That person, under this account, gave Novak points 1 & 3 (2 coming from the CIA official). Before talking with the CIA official, he confirmed 1 & 3 with Rove.

                Novak could be lying, Novak could have known previous to those points of information from other people (maybe from Miller). But going on Novak's public testimony, one is led to conclude that Novak was told during that first phone call with a male senior administration official. Whether that's the truth or not is another matter.

                "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

                by jorndorff on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:32:18 PM PDT

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    •  If not Hannah or Wurmser, the (4.00)
      either Fleitz or David Shedd at State, or William Luti at the Pentagon.

      Fleitz and Sheed came over to Bolton from the CIA, Sheed was once an undercover op.

      Washinton Note on Fleitz

      David Corn on Shedd

      Juan Cole on Hannah and Luti

    •  WHIG seems to be a great place for the entire (none)
      mess to coalesce.  The key power players were there (protecting #1 and 2)and it was an operating devision of the Dark Prince despite being initiated by Andy Card

      "And we are here as on a darkling plain swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night." Mathew Arnold

      by Cantinflas on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:50:51 PM PDT

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