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  •  Great diary-- (4.00)
    and I apologize for the rude behavior and prevarications of my country's Secretary of State.

    What gall she has!  Further negotiations on a unanimously-ruled treaty-approved panel's decision?

    Stand strong, Canada, and tell us to jump in the lake-- well, you choose which one (we share borders to several!)

    •  I second the apology (4.00)
      ... and just want our Canadian friends to know that there are many of us down here who are equally appalled and are trying hard to get her fired along with the rest of that scurvy lot.

      The neocons' manifest attitude towards international agreements -- that they are some sort of noxious intrusion on American sovereignty and therefore deserve scorn -- has never made sense to me.  It seems obvious: by bargaining and trading commitments strategically with other countries, we extend our influence and further empower American sovereignty.

      By disdaining treaties and proving America to be an untrustworthy bargaining partner, these idiots are weakening this nation, not strengthening it.

      (Sorry, I'm sure this is obvious to everyone here. In my deep frustration, though, I just had to say it.)

      •  3rd it & why your word matters economically (4.00)
        i know the neo-cons don't believe it, but there's is a real economic value to international treaties & you word.

        it shows up in rulings against us ($5 billion here, a coupld billion there), it shows up in the world avoiding american products (couple dozen billions here & there), it shows up in american companies not be qualified for bids due to unsynched standards, (couple 100 billion), it show up in a tourists picking OTHER countries to visit (billions), and it shows up in an overall disapproval and psychology that lowers the importance of the us & the world's trust in us -- & that may have the most significant long-term, pervasive economic impact.

        •  "Price" vs. "value" (4.00)
          That's an impressive, depressing litany -- further than I had taken it in my own thinking. Thanks.

          This current crop of "conservatives" are like Oscar Wilde's cynic: a person who "knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."  They are fixated on what these treaties cost us, and seem to have no idea what they gain us.

          Come to think of it, that's their attitude about taxes, too. And health insurance. And privacy rights and endangered species and schoolchildren, for that matter.

          I hesitate to call them cynics, though. No cynic I know would be so breathtakingly reckless.

        •  You know about "Brand America?" (none)
          Consultants have been telling American consumer products companies to shy away from identifying their goods with the United States. "Brand America" is now a net negative, rather than a positive. In most cases this involves multi-billion-dollar losses in brand equity built up over decades.

          The neocons, theocons and con-cons have simply taken the "enlightened" bit out of "enlightened self-interest."

          •  Yes, but it works for them. And their friends. (none)
            This is no different than if you and the residents of your town had worked together over many years to build up a resource, say (fittingly) a nice stand of natural timber forest nearby that provided jobs, beauty, recreation and tourism for your locale.

            Then one day a large corporate interest manages to gain logging rights to that forest, courtesy of large political contributions, of course.  When the resource you and your parents and grandparents worked to build is cut to the ground, sure it's a huge loss for you.  But is it a loss for them?  So the question is not who has suffered as a result of these policies, but who has gained from them.  And I think we know the answer to that question.

            Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason. - John Harrington

            by EeDan on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 08:39:36 PM PDT

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    •  I apologize, too . . . (none)
      She's an embarrassment. But then, with BushCo, what else is new?

      Don't ask me nothin' 'bout nothin'; I just might tell you the truth -- Bob Dylan

      by ponderer on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:04:11 AM PDT

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    •  I would also like to add (none)

      Would it be OK for some of us to move there if the numbnuts Administration isn't properly devastated and neutered by the coming indictments?  If they and their GOP cronies aren't properly squashed in the 2006 midterms and the 2006 general?  Canada looks better and better with every GOP-favored law passed or judge approved.


      Don't hold the idiots in DC against ALL Americans.  Virtually half of us saw this shit coming in 2000.

      "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." --9th Amendment

      by praedor on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:41:29 AM PDT

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    •  i have the perfect lake! (none)
      lake ontario please.
      it is surprisingly deep.
    •  I'd say Lake Champlain (none)
      And see if Champy is hungry

      "now this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." W. Churchill

      by Thor Heyerdahl on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 02:40:48 PM PDT

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      •  Grew up near there. (none)
        Champy is a log, unfortunately...

        Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason. - John Harrington

        by EeDan on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 08:41:44 PM PDT

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