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  •  What middle? (none)
    You can't even mention one policy on which you nase your statement.

    I don't believe you are in the middle.

    I believe you are to the Right.

    I bet you are anti-choice.

    That's is an extremist position.

    You are deluding yourself as to the fact that you are not an extremeist yourself.

    The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

    by Armando on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:29:44 AM PDT

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    •  No, in the middle ... (none)
      ... not anti-choice, and not anti-gay (are there any other hot-button litmus tests that you would like to apply, Armando?)

      I just see the far right and far left positions as not representing what is best for America. I believe that we need a middle consensus if we are to keep this nation together.

      •  I nominate you to... (none)
        the DLC. But I do respect your opinion. That's why I still, tho hesitantly, call myself a Democrat.

        The left should be on the left, not the center or the right.

        by ThanxAl on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:44:29 AM PDT

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        •  Not a DLCer, either ... (none)
          I'm just what my name says, a Roosevelt Democrat (in the Kennedy tradition), and I'm old enough to remember what that means, having lived it for most of my young life.
          •  How measured should we be in asking (none)
            our elected Dems and Republicans to represent the 100% of Americans that were lied into war?

            Thousands continue to die. Probably thousands more of our brave soldiers will die. Most Representatives, and probably all the Senators know we were lied into war. But they do nothing.

            We've asked nicely:
            "Please oppose a war based on lies"

            "Please oppose the War Criminal President, and please say or do anything to show that you don't support the President's decision to lie us into war"

            "Please stand up and oppose the President's policy of killing our soldiers based on his lies"

            I think it's pretty fucking extreme for the President to lie us into war. Simply talking about it is not extreme, it's a bare minimum for any patriotic American.

            But what are your thoughts on the above??

            I Supported the War When I Believed the Lies

            by bejammin075 on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:55:52 AM PDT

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            •  Talk is just talk ... (none)
              ... until we Democrats can win control of a chamber of Congress and/or win the White House. Without being in power somewhere, we can have at best marginal effect on Iraq War policy. About all we can do effectively as a party is continue to point out that "stay the course" is not working (the American people can see that for themselves) and demand that Bush put forth a plan for success (i.e., assume the position of being the voice of the disillusioned electorate). If Bush can come up with a good plan, then we support it. If he can't, we keep asking the American people to give us a chance to try by giving us control of Congress in 2006. If we don't win in 2006 and/or 2008, though, our talk will remain talk.
              •  What 'talk'? The elected Dems are SILENT (none)
                You say "Talk is just talk" but you are missing the point: Elected Democrats aren't even talking about the fact that we were Lied into War. This is a seperate issue from whether we are "winning" or have a good war plan.

                And what do you mean "if" Bush can come up with a good plan? This is the same crew that knew all along they were going to invade Iraq, no matter what, no matter how bad or flimsy the evidence was, no matter what the most sensible generals had to say, and they had all the time in the world to plan before the invasion, or during the invasion, or in 2 1/2 years after the invasion.

                Furthermore, Bush is increasingly surrounded by incompetant ass kissers. Anybody who was sane and/or principled was thrown out of the Admin a long time ago. Bush's best chance to have a plan was 3 or more years ago.

                Bush's only 'plan' is for Iraqis to "stand up, so we can stand down". Problem is, they hate us so much, we can't give them any good weapons. If we train and equip the Iraqi's too well, Iraqis will turn on us. Sunni's got fucked by the new constitution, so the civil war will escalate.

                You have to realize this: It is IMPOSSIBLE for Bush to "win" in Iraq. If you want to "win" rather than pull out, we have to completely wipe this Administration out of office. As in, sweep the House and Senate in 2006, Impeach (Bush + Cheney) and Speaker Pelosi becomes President Pelosi, and then it's Paging General Wes Clark, wet glass clean up on aisle Iraq.

                Bush isn't going to come up with a good plan. If the war had actually been short, sweet and neat, his cronies and war profiteer friends wouldn't be making as much money. A lack of a plan maximizes profits for his buddies. Look how the destablization of the middle east has lead to record oil company profits. The war is partly about oil. Not for you to have $1/gal gas, but for Exxon to net $10 billion a quarter.

                Wake up.

                I Supported the War When I Believed the Lies

                by bejammin075 on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 10:22:30 AM PDT

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      •  Name one position then (none)
        That justifies your statement.

        Iraq?

        This is just smesaring from you then.

        The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

        by Armando on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:46:58 AM PDT

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    •  Wow (none)
      You really turned up the volume on this post, Armando.  Attacking your interlocutor is pretty un-helpful.  The assertion that the left contains some shrill exremists is a reasonable one.  Even though I disagree with equating Michael Moore with Roy Moore, you have to be aware that some people (including the MSM) are taking this view.

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