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  •  Who (none)
    Are you referring to...who is "You" ? Explain.
    Who wants Dems to lose?

    America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

    by wishingwell on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 09:05:09 AM PST

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    •  the person who wrote the comment (none)
      i was responding to.

      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

      by BiminiCat on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 09:08:20 AM PST

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      •  OK (none)
        Sorry, my fault..I was not following the original post ..

        America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

        by wishingwell on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 09:12:57 AM PST

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      •  you truly are silly (4.00)
        I want REAL Democrats to win, and thus the working Americans to win. The corporatist toadies are who I want to lose.

        You, of course, know this, but are too slavishly wedded to calling yourself a "Democrat" to realize that the politicians you support have rendered the brand empty and meaningless, like popping open a Coke can and getting rubber cement.

        •  clinton's the most successful dem (none)
          in the last 30 years.  all he did was win elections.  that's all.

          so telling him to fuck off clearly shows that you think dems should not win elections.

          "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

          by BiminiCat on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 09:19:59 AM PST

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            •  The fact is (none)
              if you refuse to vote for Dems because you think they are "corporatist todies" or what have you, you don't want Dems to win.

              And by "win" I mean obtain a majority.

              I don't understand people who seem that they would rather have 50 Dennis Kuchiniches than a Democratic majority.

              Dems will fight for a Renewed Deal with the American people.

              by Hoyapaul on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 10:20:08 AM PST

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              •  Feingold (none)
                actually. I have absolutely no interest in Kucinich, but keep slinging your lazy stereotyping.

                Meanwhile, I'll actually back politicians who fight for what they believe.

                •  feingold voted for the 87 billion (none)
                  and then says he wants to withdraw.

                  i have no idea where he stands at all on anything.

                  says he's a liberal and then votes to confirm roberts and everyone says that one vote just goes to show what a man of conviction he is.

                  conviction all right.  with the wrong vote.

                  (for those who aren't exactly sure what this post represents, this post represents the complete and utter stupidity of the kind of reasoning contained within this comment itself.  it's stupid when you apply it to feingold.  it's stupid when you apply to anyone else.)

                  "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                  by BiminiCat on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 11:16:45 AM PST

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                  •  seriously, man, Logic 101. (none)
                    Maybe you could audit it someplace.
                    •  even i knew none of that 87b (none)
                      would make it to the soldiers.

                      what was feingold's excuse for raping tax payers to give a windfall to halliburton???

                      blah blah blah.

                      this is exactly how stupid you sound to everybody else.

                      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

                      by BiminiCat on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 12:39:31 PM PST

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                      •  Hey (none)
                        this is exactly how stupid you sound to everybody else.

                        If you live in a glass house....

                        Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you. Jean-Paul Sartre

                        by Stevo on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 12:42:05 PM PST

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                      •  LOL (3.33)
                        man, seriously. My eleven year old nephew has a stronger ability to argue than you do.

                        OUTRAGE: FEINGOLD AMENDMENT TO ASSIST MILITARY FAMILIES GUTTED

                        On October 15, 2003, Senator Feingold successfully amended the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill for Iraq and Afghanistan to include a provision to bring relief to the families of military personnel who are being deployed for the ongoing fight against terrorism, the war in Iraq, and other missions in this country and around the world. This amendment, which was modeled after legislation that Feingold introduced in March 2003, would extend the Family Medical Leave Act to military personnel deployed on active duty.

                        In preparation for a deployment, military families often have to scramble to arrange for child care, to pay bills, to contact their landlords or mortgage companies, and take care of other things that many of us deal with on a daily basis. The departure of a family member called up for active duty can put a tremendous burden on his or her loved ones, imposing significant financial and emotional hardships. Senator Feingold's amendment would have allowed the immediate family member of someone called to active duty to use his or her benefits under the Family and Medical Leave Act to take unpaid leave to deal with issues directly related to that person's deployment.

                        Senator Feingold's amendment passed the Senate, only to be stripped from the $87 billion Iraq supplemental appropriations bill by the House-Senate conference committee. Senator Feingold, who voted for the $87 billion appropriations bill which included this amendment, has vowed to continue fighting for the legislation, calling for his original bill, the Military Families Leave Act (S. 683), to be considered by the Health, Education, Labor, & Pensions (HELP) Committee of the Senate.

                        Unlike the worthless Kerry/Clinton wing of the party, he actually works to make change, to fight for what he believes, EVEN when it's easy to mischaracterize what he's doing.

                •  Or 50 Feingolds, or whatever (4.00)
                  What matters is that you vote for a Dem majority.

                  Am I engaging in lazy stereotyping, or will you not stand up for any Dem, even if s/he doesn't fit your ideological profile perfectly?

                  It's simple: either support Dems, or you support a continuing Republican majority. That's the way it works.

                  Dems will fight for a Renewed Deal with the American people.

                  by Hoyapaul on Sun Oct 30, 2005 at 11:16:56 AM PST

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                  •  I will not (none)
                    vote against the interests of my country because the party has a "D" after it.

                    Been there, done that. Never again.

                  •  Re: (none)
                    This is the road to hell paved with mediocre intentions. For thirty-years Democrats have been spouting off the same tired line--vote D, or elect R. When you read a comment that starts off with the proposition that Clinton, or Kerry is preferrable to Bush, this is really saying nothing at all. Clinton, or Kerry is preferable to Bush, and they're still bad candidates. Democrats have now given voters two options, bad and worse, and think nothing of patting themselves on the back for giving the people the honor. The Democrat is now spoken of in tones that are not at all enthusiastic, but in tones that are the least scornful, and everyone stands about as if that's the nature of things, that somehow this is an immutable thing that cannot be altered, and for this reason, we will lose, and lose continually, until that time when the Republicans are defeated by scandal. Democrats will then be quite happy to have a Democrat in the White House, or a Democratic majority in one, or both houses of Congress, then the party's apologists will then come up with a new barrage of excuses for why they can't get anything done, and why the base of the party can't expect much from the Dems, etc. It's a tedious cycle, a neverending toleration of all things inconsequential.

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