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  •  My point is that certain core property (none)
    protections are essential to individual autonomy.

    Our homes are the foundation of our communities and our families.  The shirt on my back, my family photo album, etc etc are all aspects of individual, personal autonomy.

    •  Really? (none)
      Your right to your photo album and your shirt is as crucial as your right to choose when/how to have sex? You must have nicer shirts than I do. :)
      •  Yes. (none)
        In terms of personal autonomy.  

        They are all part of the greater right to be left alone.

        •  Greater right to be left alone? (none)
          Left in splendid isolation, I doubt I would have any property at all, since I do not have the skills to make such things. I am happy to accept state regulation of property since that is part of what makes it possible for me to have property at all.
          •  My point is that some fundamental (none)
            property rights are essential for personal autonomy.
            •  OK (none)
              Which property rights and what do they have to do with fundamental personal autonomy? You mentioned photo albums and the roof over my head. But I have a hard time believing that my photo album is somehow wrapped up in my personal autonomy and I know for sure there's no right in the Constitution that says I get a roof over my head.
              •  We need things to function. (none)
                as human beings.  Things like clothes, shelter.

                We also need things to exercise other rights.  

                We need religious texts for the exercise of religious faith.  

                We need means of communication to exercise the right of free expression and the press.

                •  Sure (none)
                  but we don't need any particular house, shirt, photo album or other piece of property to function as human beings. Nor do we need to personally own any of the things you mentioned so long as we have access to them. There's a vast difference between supporting rights to things necessary to function as human beings and private property rights.
    •  I happen to agree with you on property protections (none)
      In fact, it seems to me that these fall generally on the "personal privacy" side of the coin, and that enforcing property protections is one function of government in a heavily-regulated economic environment.

      "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

      by Septic Tank on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 11:57:45 AM PST

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      •  I agree completely. (none)
        We live in a world with economic realities, and in order to lead our lives and follow our dreams, certain property protections are essential.

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