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  •  yes and no (none)
    money will conmtinue to plague politics up until the point where we go to publicly funded campaigns with real teeth in its limits on corporate cash. but the DLC isn't just a problem b/c of the patronage issue, it's a problem because it intentionally echoes right-wing attacks on democrats and liberalism in a way that gives those slanders the appearance of ubiquity, and thus common sense. remove their legitimacy in the public eye, and we only have one right flank to deal with.

    the DLC is worth dealing with because of their role in the mighty wurlitzer. while the ultimate foe is big reactionary foundations like the bradley foundation that funds the DLC, their surrogates are a good place to start.

    crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

    by wu ming on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 12:21:13 PM PST

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    •  i see people echoing ring wing attacks (none)
      on dkos everyday.

      i know.  it's "ok" when we call kerry a flip flopper, right??

      point is... we all do it to prop up our agendas.  there's no ivory tower in this regard either.

      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

      by BiminiCat on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 01:50:32 PM PST

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      •  another false equivalency (none)
        i'm talking about coordinating with republicans on both poltiical narratives and specific policy drives, and in so doing reinforce the narrative that the left is marginal, and that only by denouncing democratic voters and issues can one be "serious." repeating lines like "kerry is a flip flopper" is lame, but it is not on the same scale as the sort of thing pushed by the DLC and the blue dogs.

        crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

        by wu ming on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 04:27:11 PM PST

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        •  i see no proof of this co-ordination (none)
          and i've never seen them denounce democratic party voters and issues.   i think many of the folks you're talking about, the left sees disagreement as, by some wierd definition, a reinforcement of the narrative that the left is marginal.  

          you say tomayto.  

          i say tomahto.  

          and so we disagree on something.

          but when i say tomahto i'm not just saying tomahto, am i??? when i say tomahto i'm actually selling you out on your first amendment right to say tomayto.  when i say tomahto i'm marginalizing your tomayto sayin' ways.  

          oh...  and those on dkos who say kerry is a flip-flopper, they don't seem completely UNorganized either.  it's not just "lame."  it's re-inforcing right wing talking points.  exactly the same as saying some anti-war activists betray anti-americanism.

          they are BOTH UNtruthful.  and BOTH equally destructive to what we hope to accomplish.

          "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

          by BiminiCat on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 04:47:48 PM PST

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