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  •  I think that's the point (none)
    That's one of the most interesting conclusions here: people who are turning off to Bush are turning off to the GOP. The GOP spent so much time identifying itself with Bush the man, became such a cult of personality, that as his political life collapses, it's taking a fair number of GOP-identifiers with it.

    What's the matter with Utah?

    (OK, I know what's the matter ... I lived there for a while, so I know).

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    by BriVT on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 07:01:51 AM PST

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    •  yes, but it's NOT just Bush! (none)
      There's more to it than just the Bush cult of personality.  The GOP has been organizing itself this way since the Reagan era; Bush is just the current figurehead.  People aren't just sick of Bush.  They're sick of deficits, of radical-right judges, of Terry Schiavo grandstanding, of corruption, of ALL the things that ALL Republicans do these days.  I look at my home of Minnesota and our Republican governor, and I see the problems of the national GOP writ small (to suit Gov Pawlenty's small mind).

      And just to plug an idea I always plug... I think the GOP is made up of three different factions with very little real interest in each other's issues - the imperialists (neocons), the fundamentalists, and the corporatists.  Bush's unique political genius was to serve as a figurehead for all three factions.  Break the figurehead, and the three start to squabble amongst themselves.

      "The American people want someone to articulate their rage for them"
      -Diana (Faye Dunaway), in "Network"

      by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 07:50:47 AM PST

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      •  interesting (none)
        While I realize all three of the factions you describe have been around for a while, I can't believe I'm missing the days when it was just the "corporatists" screwing us, with the neocons and religious-wingers quietly hanging around scheming.

        Of course, we see now where 30 years of scheming got them: The White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court...

        Many possibilities are open to you - work a little harder.

        by Rainman on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 08:01:59 AM PST

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        •  30 years of scheming ... (4.00)
           ... short-changes the enormous amount of money and effort that went into taking over the US government.  Enormous.  They have come within one supreme court nominee of controlling the entire US government (and have already bankrupted the treasury) because they have planned for it, strategized, learned from their mistakes, and taken advantage of every avenue of profit and advance they could find.  They are ruthless and efficient (which is another way to say fascist) and popular with the ambitious.

          Note too that this neat break-down of data provided by our diarist is exactly the kind of thing KKKarl Rove has been provided for George Bush and the Republican party for a quarter of a century.  His dirty tricks work not because they are dirty but because he knows in advance what issues, statements, wordings, etc. will flip people.  And he knows that from extensive polling, completely graphed and analyzed.

          The progressives -- even the centrists -- need to develop an entire class of professional information workers if they are to take on the ugly Republican Party machine.  Perhaps it is being done.  It will cost billions of dollars.  The Republicans have spent close to 30 billion dollars so far (I don't have a reference) -- but look at what it's given them:  complete control of the US Military, free access to one trillion dollars in US taxes, and the ability to write and pass laws which enrich them, and impoverish and outlaw their enemies.

          More of a rant than I was planning.  Read it and weep.

          -5.13;-6.92 De-Bu$hify NOW! Remove *every* Bu$hCo appointee and revoke their security clearances

          by Yellow Canary on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 08:20:28 AM PST

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      •  I agree with you, there (none)
        But what I'm saying is that the GOP tied so much of its credibility and thinking into Bush. He's more than a figurehead, he's a totem into which they poured their juju, if you know what I mean. They tied themselves to Bush and Bushism. And now Bush is soooo unpopular, he drags down the entire edifice of Republicanism in serious ways. This isn't just a "gee the President's pretty unpopular" moment of history. This is a moment where people are turning away from everything that President represents. He's unpopular in ways that we haven't seen since Nixon (his disapprovals are just as high as Nixon's).

        What this post is about is how many people are turning away from the label of "Republican." That's a big step. Now progressives need to expand that and start tying the word "conservative" to every excess of these last 5 years.

        Really, I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. I just think that the complete collapse of a Presidency is a really important indicator of the end of what that President represents. The collapse of Bush is as much a symptom as a cause, imo.

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        by BriVT on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 10:57:26 AM PST

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      •  No paleos (none)
        Absent from your list are the paleo-conservatives, and rightly so.  They are as outraged as anyone over Iraq, deficits, Schiavo, etc.  Those folks will be voting for the Constitution Party candidate, whoever that is.

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