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  •  I say this again downthread, but.... (none)
    you really need to re-read this quote again.

    But in the best of all worlds, all of those people would be vaccinated, but the critical issue when you're faced with the challenge of having to move fast and respond for everyone, you need the essential people to get up in the morning and go to work; otherwise, nobody's gonna get a vaccine.
    --emphasis added

    What they're trying to say is that they need the essential hospital and healthcare workers to get up in the morning, and go to work; otherwise, nobody's gonna get a vaccine, because there won't be anyone there to administer the vaccines.

    If the healthcare system is crippled by the flu, then we are well and truly fucked. I can't stress that any harder.

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    by Timroff on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 02:01:07 PM PST

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    •  Agree ... (none)
      That emergency workers and vaccine production personnel (although not the PR staff) should be near first in line for vaccine.  Okay, while I despise him, understand Georgie near top of list (but NOT Jenna or Barbara (Grandma or daughter).  

      But, please explain elderly prior to children.  Yes, I understand that elderly are more at risk but let us take 'expected value'.

      If someone at 70, with a life expectancy of 10 years, is at 70 percent chance risk of dying, you could say that 'expected value' of vaccine would be roughly 7 years of human life.

      If someone at age 10, with perhaps 65 years of life expectancy, is at 40 percent chance of dying, then the vaccine has an expected value of roughly 26 years of human life.

      Seems to me that "elderly" should not automatically be assumed to be appropriate to be 'first in line' before 'youth' when we move from specific categories to 'general population'.

      The problem will be that everyone will fight to be in a 'protected category' such that everything will be gone well before we reach the point of protecting the 'general' population.

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 03:15:55 PM PST

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      •  I realize (none)
        the debate here is the "when" the kids get the vaccine.

        As noted many places here and elsewhere (the flu wiki is a good place to start) kids are not considered as needing the vaccine as strongly as the elderly, people in emergency and critical support/first responder/healthcare careers. It's also thought that kids, generally, have better immune systems and can fight off things like the flu, even the more virulent avian form, better than adults, especially the elderly.

        I'm not saying kids shouldn't get the vaccine. On the contrary, I think it important that children with special health needs should get the vaccine before the eldrly etc., get it. But I, as a future parent, would far prefer my healthy mother and father and healthy wife to get vaccinated before my healthy child gets it, for the simple fact that if my child gets sick, I can care for him. If my child is sick, I can still provide the things that she needs. But if I am sick, if my wife and I are both laid low, can I really expect my preschooler to make dinner, much less have him clean up after our bouts with sickness? Can I expect my second grader to go to work for me in order to keep the paychecks coming in so I can afford to give my family at least minimal health care since my company refuses to provide decent coverage?  

        I think that those are some of the questions we need to consider, that's all.

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        by Timroff on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 06:00:58 PM PST

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