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  •  This happened to me in India (4.00)
    I was riding the train to Delhi, sleeping on a top berth when some cop grabbed my ankle, pulled me down, and demanded to see my passport.  I was like, "Alright," and showed it to him.  Then he walked away.

    Later, a bunch of irate passengers came up to me and were like, "You didn't have to show him anything.  This is a democracy!  If that ever happens again, tell the cop to fuck off" (not the exact words, but I do remember the line, "This is a democracy").

    Sure enough, it happened again a few weeks later.  This time they wanted to search my bag, but I didn't let them.  Well, after this bizarre 20 minute stand-off I finally let them, but they didn't even do it.  They just peeked inside and were like, "Oh, OK.  Thanks."  Then they walked away.

    The only reason I let them is I was starting to feel the shame that the people watching were feeling.  I don't think they liked seeing me treated like that, and it didn't seem worth it to press the issue anymore.

    Anyway, I wonder how many people on the bus offered support of Ms. Davis like the people in India supported me?  I'm guessing not many.

    •  Right & Wrong (4.00)
      "Anyway, I wonder how many people on the bus offered support of Ms. Davis like the people in India supported me?  I'm guessing not many."

      ~~I'm guessing zero. Especially after having seen some of the pathetic responses here, in which so many people want to argue the "letter of the law" as opposed to right & wrong.

      If you have to get out a law book to decide what side you're on, then you're going to be on the wrong side.

      False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.--Socrates

      by Ranting Roland on Fri Nov 25, 2005 at 03:07:27 PM PST

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      •  I see it differently (none)
        Instead of arguing right or wrong, I think most people feel she was treated wrongly and are debating the legalities involved and assessing how this will fare before the SCOTUS.

        Of course, maybe I'm the one who sees it wrong here. ;-)

        I don't know many people who would consider refusing to tell a policeman their name or hand over their ID.  Most of the time you've been pulled over or approached because they think you've done something (or you have) so those cases are different.  But if you have no clue why they want your ID?  I'd like to know if this is determined at a state, city or Federal level.  And if you don't have to hand over ID, do the cops know this?  Because I can't imagine any sheriff or policeman I have ever met seeing that as anything but a challenge to their authority -- and they don't seem to take that well.

        So, is it a law, or just cooperation through fear of repridsal?

      •  Yes..... (none)
        ...this should have occasioned a riot on the bus. We really are going to have to be more assertive and vigilant of our rights,like Cindy Sheehan who has reclaimed the right to protest in front of the White House and is challenging Crawford Texas' right to outlaw protest in a place where the President might actually see you.

        "What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

        by Bensdad on Fri Nov 25, 2005 at 05:40:53 PM PST

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