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  •  Yes. (none)
    Leaving aside the class and poverty issues that this raises--do you need ID when driving through these kinds of facilities in your own car?
    When I've entered a Federal facility I've always had to check in at the Visitor's Center and show ID.

    What I don't get is why a public bus would be going through there at all, if people without ID aren't permitted.  

    I think it boils down to her refusal to show ID, not that they actually needed it.  That defiance created probable cause by their standards -- and a pissy attitude.  

    If the guards had told her that she couldn't enter the grounds without showing ID and gave her the option of getting off the bus, then I'd tend to blame the transit authority for not avoiding the area, or making it clear to customers that the particular route would require ID and was mainly for those working on the installation.  To arrest her, though, is ridiculous.

    •  The federal center in Lakewood (4.00)
      is a fence, surrounding a lot of vacant land, with a half a dozen or dozen federal buildings on it, all from different civilian agencies, adjacent to a non-federal commercial district.  The bus doesn't enter any of the buildings.  It drives down a semi-public road behind a fence.

      It is full of welcome signs.  It lacks any signs saying, you may be subject to search or required to show ID upon entering.

      A bus dropping people off that the fence would leave people with three quarters of a mile or more to walk.

      The RTD bus is there because it got permission.  The people at fault are the guards who tried to enforce a right that the law doesn't give them, and the U.S. attorney who was dumb enough not to drop the charges.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Fri Nov 25, 2005 at 11:13:51 PM PST

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      •  That is what makes no sense (none)
        If someone gets on the bus without being told they are consenting to search and seizure, requests for ID, etc., I don't see how it can be imposed halfway through the trip by an outside agency.

        If they agreed to let the bus through, then....let it through.  

        It will be interesting to see how this progresses.  It doesn't have the legal issues of US v Hiibel to tangle matters and distract from the basic question.

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