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View Diary: U.K. Security Contractors Shoot Iraqi Civilians on Video - Contracted by U.S. (50 comments)

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    Although i havent viewed this footage ive read a lot of posts condenming it. All i can say is if you havent been there you dont have a say. It may well have been "over the top" but unless you can sit in the rear gunners shoes and view the entire incident unfolding you will never know. Ive been in the sandpit for 2 years, my first 9 months as a "trunk monkey". Its the lonliest job on the planet as im sure guys will agree. You and you alone have to make the decision wether to open fire or not. The vast majority of decisions are well made however there will always be one or two not so. Well, shit happens but at least you and your team get to go home. What we dont want is guys too worried about repurcussions and failing to open up when they need to. Then some nutcase slams a car full of explosives into your convoy! As for filming for the head shed, well the vast majority have never fired rounds in anger, so having to explain your decisions to them is difficult enough without filming it. I wouldnt bother, if youve got a decent team behind you theyre the ones that will always back you up in the end.
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      So we (I) know what your words are, as opposed to words quoted from somewhere else.

      Not trying to be snarky...your posts just confused me a bit.

      Bush - the ultimate example of the Peter Principle.

      by PatsBard on Sat Nov 26, 2005 at 09:40:33 PM PST

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    •  You're right (none)
      It's easy to sit behind our computer keyboards and say what we would have done, or what should have been done...but given the level of violence, who here can really judge which shootings are justified and which are from fear or which are from trigger-happy assholes feeling their power?  I'm glad I'll never have to make the decision...

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Sat Nov 26, 2005 at 09:47:48 PM PST

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      •  No, that's rubbish (4.00)
        They're turning their voluntary decision to go out there and make some money into some sort of badge of honour. And that's rubbish.

        Because the fact that mercenaries went to Iraq and I didn't reflects badly on the mercenaries, not on me. I get to criticize them for being asshole mercenaries, they don't get to criticize me for being one of the civilians they're shooting at.  Screw them.

    •  By that logic no Nuremberg trials (4.00)
      after all those prosecuters hadn't lived in Germany and suffered through Wiemar all those years. And only judges and DA's who have been gang members themselves have any right to judge kids from the ghetto...

      This is the road to fascism, if you really believe this, and why we [supposedly] have civilian control of the military, to keep people like yo -, or my sperm donor, who abused and abandoned my mother and preferred to go back to cutting off ears in 'Nam - from getting to run themselves unsupervised.

      I suppose you'll defend the sack of Louvain and the destruction of Lidice next. After all, most of the first were just young kids who'd never been shot at, how could they be blamed for massacring civilians and burning down the town where they'd been shot at?  (actually many of them were hit by "friendly fire" but since they were rookies they couldn't be expected to assess that and control themselves could they?)

      Or are those only bad because "Germans are Bad GuysTM" by birth and "we" are not? Unless you have the same sympathy, empathy and understanding that you demand for yourselves, for the Iraqis who didn't ask to be invaded and have people like you and your colleagues running amok in their country, then you're just a hypocrite.

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Sun Nov 27, 2005 at 02:06:10 AM PST

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