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  •  <shaking head> (none)
    yeah okay.  whatever.  I tend not to make snap judgements of people I've never met or never even heard talk beyond an occasional PSA.  Laura Bush really is just a face to me.  

    And I feel sorry for people who feel the need to make hateful judgements of others, no matter which side of the "aisle" they claim to be on.  

    Laura Bush is standing by her man.  What do you expect her to do?  Hell even Hillary "Stood by her man" when he had to publicly admit his affair.   Doesn't mean it was easy for her.  Doesn't mean it's easy for Laura.  It's possible she doesn't want to air our her dirty laundry for the whole world to see.  I remember hearing she got angry when Bush reffered to her publicly as the "lump that sleeps next to me".  She might just be a very private person.

    I don't know.  I don't want to know.  But I at least accept the fact that I don't know them and don't feel the need to slap "sociopath" stickers all over them.  You know why?  Judgement isn't MY job.  It's not YOUR job, and if you don't believe in God it's not ANYONE's job.

    The GOP Love the soldiers like they love children: Seen but not heard.

    by DawnG on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 04:30:30 PM PST

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    •  "standing by your man"... (4.00)
      That seems like something one does when "you man" is doing the right thing, or at least isn't in the wrong. When the person that you are standing by is so far away from the right thing, it's not "standing by your man" anymore, it is something else entirely.

      To me, anyway.

      •  i dare say (none)
        your interpretation of "stand by your man" is somewhat skewed.  when most people hear that phrase, i suspect it invokes this song more than anything:

        Sometimes its hard to be a woman
        Giving all your love to just one man
        You'll have bad times
        And he'll have good times
        Doing things that you don't understand

        But if you love him you'll forgive him
        Even though he's hard to understand
        And if you love him
        Oh be proud of him
        'Cause after all he's just a man

        Stand by your man
        Give him two arms to cling to
        And something warm to come to
        When nights are cold and lonely

        Stand by your man
        And tell the world you love him
        Keep giving all the love you can

        Stand by your man
        Stand by your man
        And show the world you love him
        Keep giving all the love you can
        Stand by your man

        - tammy wynette

        i think she actually wrote it, but i'm not sure. fwiw

        •  if by "skewed" you mean... (none)
          If by "skewed" you mean that it's colored by my own experiences and perspectives, well, of course.

          Tammy Wynette sings that song quite well. By the way, she was co-writer of that hit, with a fella named Billy Sherrill.

          I don't know that the song reflects a monopoly on the phrase. My interpretation comes from my own experiences - standing by folks and folks standing by me.

          I'll stand by what I wrote earlier.

        •  Stand by your man.... (none)
          not under him.  She's a doormat.  When do First Ladies get to be intelligent and have brains of their own rather than talking bobble heads that have to agree 100% with their husbands.  Have you ever met anyone that agreed 100% with their husband or wife?!?!
    •  What else is a political site for? (none)
        Making judgements about politicians is a part of Daily Kos, but I wouldn't call Laura Bush a sociopath.  She is a part of this administration, because she has been a very public first lady.  She didn't have to be.  If she doesn't want her dirty laundery aired out for everyone to see, then maybe she shouldn't be the more pretty propaganda arm of this administration.  She doesn't get a break even if she is in the unenviable position of being Bush's wife.  "Standing by her man," is just another meaningless platitude.  I blame Laura because she is a part of this horrible administration, just as I blame Colin Powell, George Tenet, and other people who still have jobs.  She doesn't get a free pass because she seems nice, and because she gets lots of good media exposure, mostly involving big smiles and reading books to children.  
    •  Hillary stood by Bill (none)
      but she did not condone his behavior and she did not speak out in favor of Presidential blowjobs or cheating on your spouse.  

       Laura "got angry" when Bush publicly referred to her as the "lump that sleeps next to me"-- that is your defense of her?!?  I can tell you my response to that might have been a bit different, but regardless the woman supports her husband in what are in actuality war crimes and participates in the propaganda that is being fed to the world.  Was Eva Braun blameless as she lived in luxury while millions suffered and died?  She too was "standing by her man."

      I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war. Abbie Hoffman

      by margaretc on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 05:11:34 PM PST

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      •  I may have to rejudge Powell... (none)
        Given what is coming out from the Powell camp, especially today, I may have to reevaluate him;   re-judge him.  Sure, he was a tool while part of Bu$hitCo, but his actions afterwards, the behind the scenes lobbying agianst torture; speaking up for Jack Murtha; and now his top aid calling Cheney a "nefarioius bastard" and a liar, well, Powell may yet fill that uniform once again.

        Time will tell.  In the meantime, I will judge these people, for the my life, my country's future, for the world's future.

    •  Lump in the Bed (none)
      "Lump in the Bed" came from a poem that Laura had told the press that George wrote for her while she was in France.  The press ate it all up and we all heard about it.  Later it was revealed that George didn't write the poem.  Laura had made that up.  It's not surprising considering the other stories they make up to score points with the press.

      "Wasn't that Airforce 1?"

    •  Dawn, this is all rather silly (4.00)
      If you don't know enough to make a judgement then, by all means, don't make a judgement. But, for gods' sake, don't complain when people who do know something make a judgement.

      Are they "judgemental"? I certainly hope so. It is our place to judge our government, including the lying, manslaughtering shills like Laura Bush.

      Sorry about the anger here, but I am sick to death of people posting their opinions based on no information at all. If you want to add to the discussion then link to a reputable source that provides actual information that supports your claim. Anything less is a waste of the short time we have on this earth.

      Come see TV from the reality-based community at RealityBasedTV.com

      by MarkInSanFran on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 08:41:44 PM PST

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      •  Yes it most certainly is our place to judge (none)
        the gov't. That is the obligation of democracy.

        Laura Bush would have plenty to gain from demanding a divorce, which any responsible woman would have done long ago. I would feel filthy sleeping next to someone who murders and tortures.

        The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.

        by peeder on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:18:13 AM PST

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    •  According to posts above.. (none)
      ...when Laura was faced with poets preparing to make anti-war statements in the past, she has cancelled events.

      That, to me, says she puts the administration above all else, and it makes her a tool of the White House. Period.

    •  Judgement is your Job, it's your job #1! (none)
      I understand not wanting to make judgments, snap or otherwise, about people you've never met.  However, not judging is best applied to people who will have no, or little impact upon you life.  Bu$hitCo is having, and will have for decades to come a major impact upon your life, and the worlds' lives; and not any intentionally positive way.  That's just the facts of the matter, in case you haven't noticed.

      Laura B. is used, allows herself to be used, as one of the "pretty" faces of a monstrous shitstorm known as the Bush Administration, and to a lesser extent, the policies of the current criminal Republicans.

      So you say you do not like to judge these people?  I shouldn't judge, God doesn't like that?   I say: Not wanting to judge others affecting your life is still a judgment; just a BAD ONE!

      Revaluate what you judge and why you judge.  Don't fool yourself trying to be nice to those who would as soon as shit you down a sewer after killing your whole family with their "compassionate conservatism" <snort>.  You have to judge them, otherwise, how do you even vote?!  Why are you even here?  

      As far as a "snap" judgment, there is none here.  If after the last 5 years of this fucking shit of Bush and these current criminal republicans you still think what I said is a "snap" judgment, then, well, where do you get your information?  Fox?  Rush Limbaugh Report?  Bill O'Reilly Gazette?  Com'on already!!  

      I am serious when I label them both Sociopaths.  Did you ever hear the statements from Bush's mother, the Gorgon that fancies herself in possession of "a beautiful mind"?  Do you know anything of their family history?  Of G.W.'s history?   It's not exactly unknown these days.  Books and articles have been written, "Bush on the Couch,"' "House of Bush, House of Saud"; Kitty Kelly's expose, "The Family", and so on. They are murdering sociopaths.  Only their station in life protects them, so far.  

      As for Laura, she is a teacher and I would expect her to be better read than just "The Hungry Caterpillar".  If she cannot figure out what's going on then she is stupid.  However, I don't think she is stupid, I think she knows, and has cast her lot with "her man-monster".  You may think that makes her noble, or constrained in her action.  I do not; she has made herself a public figure when she could have stayed in the background.  So, let her be judged with the rest of these crooks.  

      These people, people like them, have no perspective or empathy of how 99% of the people in the world survive.  They are destroying this world with their twisted philosophies.  So, fuck Laura Bush to hell.    

      I understand what I have said here may upset you.  When you are past having your Ego rattled, and your internalized image of God manipulated to the point of ignoring facts that affect your life, of castrating your judgement, I sincerely hope it helps you gain some perspective about judging.  

      That's what people need to learn to do these days:  JUDGE, but judge with knowledge, with facts; not superstition or feeling guilty for not following some simplistic childhood conditioning of not judging (BTW, "God"--the concept is a powerful tool to keep the rabble in line).  All that will make you is a sheep and there are too many of those milling around these days.

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