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  •  Edwards has the most articulated (4.00)
    plan and something I have been advocating for a year based on   Naomi Klein's emphasis on "It's the Iraqi Economy, Stupid". and the only one to mention the big buggaboo i.e. the contractors.
    First, we need to remove the image of the imperialist America from the landscape of Iraq. American contractors who have taken unfair advantage of the turmoil in Iraq need to leave Iraq. If that means Halliburton subsidiary, KBR, then KBR should go. Such departures, and the return of the work to Iraqi businesses, would be a real statement about our hopes for the new nation.

    We also need to show Iraq and the world that we will not stay there forever. We've reached the point where the large number of our troops in Iraq hurts, not helps, our goals. Therefore, early next year, after the Iraqi elections and a new government has been created, we should begin the redeployment of a significant number of troops out of Iraq. This should be the beginning of a gradual process to reduce our presence and change the shape of our military's deployment in Iraq.

    the rest is at Edwards

    "Life is a zoo in a jungle." Peter De Vries

    by MontanaMaven on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 09:42:22 AM PST

    •  This is great! (none)
      Edwards is looking better all the time. I'm still a
      Feingold fan, but Edwards seems to be maturing significantly now that he's out of Washington.

      In fact - I think this is it - I'm jumping off of the Feingold bandwagon and onto the Edwards juggernaught. There was a great article on Edwards in The Nation a few weeks or two that got me thinking about him. But hearing his plan for Iraq (going after the corruption first) has really sold me on the guy. Edwards 2008!

      Where the DEVIL is Greendale?

      by ozretiro on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 09:52:36 AM PST

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      •  It's the bravest thing to do, but (4.00)
        It got RFK shot i.e. going after corruption, but it needs to be done.
        As far as maturity is concerned, The Portland Herald called Edwards "the most mature" of the candidates during the primary.  Maturity can be defined as making a campaign not about yourself aka Kerry's "The REal Deal", but about issues.  Whether it was the death of Edwards' son  or his revulsion of Washington that has matured him greatly or knowing where he comes from, the guy is mature and not a narcissist.  He actually has that rarity in Washington nowadays i.e. the ability to empathize.
        The guy is also wicked smart.  His wife called his questioning of JUdge Charles Pickering  "civil, thorough and UNRELENTING."
        He asked Kerry to fight the Ohio results, but Kerry again was worried  that he would look "like a sore loser" according to Mark Crispin Miller.    We need someone back in the White House that will fight for us regular working folks.  Thousands of American soldiers have died and have been wounded to save people from looking like sore losers?  Washington stinks.

        "Life is a zoo in a jungle." Peter De Vries

        by MontanaMaven on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 10:19:26 AM PST

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      •  Edwards (none)
        I was a huge Edwards fan in the primary season.  I was hoping and praying that he'd be able to slow down and Kerry and outlast him, but the establishment wanted Kerry, so I was left hoping for Kerry to tap Edwards as his running-mate.

        After the election and campaign, I seriously didn't really care for Edwards anymore.  He wasn't speaking from the heart anymore.  I then thought about it and realized that that was because he was in the horrible position of being in an organization run by John Kerry and stale Democrats.

        After getting outside of Washington, he's finally taking knowledgeable stands on issues.
        It's early, and a lot can happen, but I think right now, I'm gonna jump on Edwards' bandwagon and ride it for awhile.  He's the only person I feel comfortable with right now.

        "Democrats win when people think." -- Bill Clinton

        by bergerc84 on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 10:40:51 AM PST

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    •  Gee wonder where Edwards got that idea (none)
      From Wes Clark's Strategy For Success in Iraq.

      November 6th 2003.

      #1 End the American monopoly. From the beginning, the Administration has insisted on exclusive control of the Iraqi reconstruction and occupation. This has cost us the financial and military support of other nations and made America a bigger target for terrorists. Ending the American monopoly will change the way this enterprise is viewed -- in Iraq and throughout the world. has the original plan plus the updated one from this year.

      'The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing combined with the stupidity of our people.' Bill Maher

      by pelican on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:42:31 PM PST

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      •  ha ha ha (none)
        You're kidding, Edwards voted against the $87 billion precisely because of the corruption.  He was a lawyer that made a living punishing corrupt companies, he doesn't need to take ideas from anyone on this issue.

        Everybody talks about John Edwards' energy, intellect and charisma -- Bill Clinton

        by philgoblue on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:55:28 PM PST

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        •  Ah, now I get it (none)
          The shitstorm started because you are an Edwards fan and disliked my characterization of him.
          •  yes (none)
            and you're failure to be able to back up your claims and struggle against my point.   You lose.

            Everybody talks about John Edwards' energy, intellect and charisma -- Bill Clinton

            by philgoblue on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:41:28 AM PST

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            •  Go Blue! (none)
              A good idea is a good idea.  I had the idea too, but it came, as I said from reading Naomi Klein and Aaron Glantz.  And you added to that Edwards commitment to regular folk, Iraqi or American, to have the ability to stand up to the powerful.  When he met with Musharaf in Pakistan, he came back and said we needed to give them money for schools not armaments.  We needed to get those kids out of the Madrasahs and into public school.  Again, a big picture way of dealing with the world and the root  causes of hatred for America.
              Former Michigander.

              "Life is a zoo in a jungle." Peter De Vries

              by MontanaMaven on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:05:30 AM PST

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