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  •  Bullshit (4.00)
    I don't know what planet you have been living on but at each point where the US has tried to promote democracy abroad has been a miserable failure. Especially when it has been at the business end of a gun.

    Our policy of democracy should be, that we will support with the power of the UN all democratic nations. Not puppet dictators or democratically elected governments that meet the "approval" of the US. If the people of sovereign nation has democratic elections then they are democratic. It is amazing when the pundits speak of the acceptability of those who may be elected in Iraq.

    We cannot not even validate the democracy that we supposedly have in our own country.

    •  hm? (none)
      Germany and Japan? Kosovo?

      I don't think Richardson was voicing support for democracy at the end of the gun, but rather the pressure and prodding towards reform in many nations.

      Self-determination of peoples was historically very successful.  If it wasn't for the U.S. prodding Great Britain and France during and after World War II dozens, if not a hundred of the nations of the world would not even be nominally independent.  Some would argue that western domination keeps these nations down (I would) but I think it would interesting to pose what would be if the U.S. hadn't of made a stand.

      I found this quote interesting: "Our policy of democracy should be, that we will support with the power of the UN all democratic nations."

      Could you let me know how that is mutually exclusive with diplomatic pressure or economic sanctions?

      Believe in the Positive American Society.
      -5.25, -5.79

      by Church Rock on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 11:08:57 AM PST

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    •  Kurdistan (none)
      in Iraq.  Larger than Israel and Lebanon combined, and civil liberties are comparable to Jordan or Turkey.  Admittedly, there are no US troops there, but the area has been under US protection.  

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