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  •  Two and a half years ago ... (4.00)
    ...some of the neo-crazies were arguing that the U.S. would start withdrawing troops in December - of 2003!! Not exactly prescient.

    Yet these guys STILL think the U.S. should take on Iran and Syria - so we can spend 25 years training their new armies as well, I guess.

    •  I find the 25 years interesting - (4.00)
      for once, I am not being snotty & sarcastic & derisive blah blah blah.

      I don't know shit about training a military - and I am wondering,

      is 25 years the time you need, in a completely broken down, corrupt environment, is it the time you need to grow several generations of leaders?

      the media and whoever has this baby boom and generation x and  generation y stuff -

      w.t.f. do I have in common with people born ... 6 years +/- my birth year? 8 yrs? 10 yrs? 12 yrs?

      in a military organization, it strikes me as relatively reasonable that of today's cohort of leaders, aspiring leaders, and accidental leaders, a lot are gonna be duds.

      it is going to take time to get the good ones up to speed and have them bring in other good people.

      don't get me wrong - I am NOT a blank check guy to boeing, ge, dupont ... cuz they are gonna protect us.  

      but, in the eurasian landmass power has always been about ... uh, power. and the most ruthless have it.

      (see some of the political thinking of the 17th - 19th centuries against that paradigm)

      I'd never thought training an effective military was possible in Iraq ...

      go murtha - I like what mark sheilds wrote about all the spineless ass dems hiding from him

      rmm.

      Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders" http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

      by rmdSeaBos on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 07:34:33 PM PST

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    •  That's what drinking the (none)
      Kool-Aid does; rots whatever brain you started out with.

      In my humble opinion our entire society has lost it's moorings. From the Xbox addicted to the fools in Congress we have an inability to apprehend reality that is truly frightening.

      If those who are still sane don't rise up and take the whell we are all gonna wind up like this guy.

      "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

      by Nestor Makhnow on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 07:49:00 PM PST

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